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US | Dual-status taxes after renunciation

275 views 5 replies 4 participants last post by  Moulard  
#1 ·
Hello,

I've read several threads on the subject but I'm still very much in doubt. Living in France since I'm 2yo, I renounced in Dec. 2024. I have not US income (whatsoever) for the all 2024-year. I live in France so I declare a 1040 claiming the foreign exemption.
I understand that I have to file as the main declaration the 1040NR+ 8854 and the 1040 as a statement but it's all very confusing. If anyone can give some tips I'll be grateful. I was granted an extension till october.

1040 NR :
  • should I mark Jan. 1 to Dec. 31 or Dec 1.to Dec. 31 ?
  • I have a X amount on the 1040 (under foreign exemption, 2555). I see on 1040NR line 8 that I have to report this amount, except that on line 10 it says 'US connected income', which is not the case. Should I put 0 eventhough it's related to the amount declared in the 1040 ?

I hope I'm clear enough!
 
#4 ·
If your renunciation date is in December, I would just go ahead and file your last 1040 return for 2024 and then file the 8854 as of December 31. Somewhere, buried in the instructions, I seem to recall having seen an instruction that you don't have to file the 1040NR if you wouldn't have needed to file a 1040NR at all (i.e. you have no US sourced income that hasn't been withheld appropriately).

I renounced in early January and so filed my "final" return for the year prior, then the 8854 at the end of the year in which I actually renounced. (I could have, I suppose, have filed that as of Dec 31st of that prior year.)

Never heard any complaints or problems about doing things that way, and I'm sure you will still be considered "compliant" if you treat things that way.
 
#6 ·
I seem to recall having seen an instruction that you don't have to file the 1040NR if you wouldn't have needed to file a 1040NR at all (i.e. you have no US sourced income that hasn't been withheld appropriately).
Its in the instructions for form 8854, page 3 if you are following along, under When to File.

I have a soft spot for Bevs suggestion of just filing a 1040 and attaching the 8854 to it when you file your 2024 return.

That said, if you have no US sourced income and your US tax liability on your foreign income up to the date you expatriated will be zero (either though use of foreign tax credits, earned income exclusion or both) then a dual status return is really quite straight forward.

The only gotcha can be the loss of the standard deduction - particularly if you have passive income and have tended to rely solely on the FEIE or have income that is not taxed or is concessionally taxed in (I presume from your flag) France.

But if you only have foreign earned income, and that is below the threshold, then because it is an income reduction (ie it affects your adjusted gross income) then the loss of the standard deduction will have no effect, because your AGI will be zero.