I think there are several disadvantages of EVs, and initial cost is the biggest disadvantage.

1. Cost
2. Charging system in home
3. Chargers will not be readily available when traveling
4. Less km on a charge compared to a internal combustion engine full fuel tank
5. Takes much longer time to charge versus filling a fuel tank
6. Can not charge a cold battery. Battery has a heater. In a cold climate it may take 15 minutes to warm the battery before charging can begin.
7. Can not charge a hot battery. Battery has a small aircon. Similar delay.
8. Can not discharge a cold or hot battery. So while driving, battery power is used to heat or air-conditioning the battery. This leads to less km per charged battery when driven in hot or cold climates.
9. If too many people buy EVs, the electric grid will fail when they all charge their EVs

 

Yep great points Howard, some I hadn't thought about, most EV's will go 350 to 500 klicks on a full charge depending on model/brand.
Yes cost needs a big consideration, charging at home is easy and for us would be free as accomplished through the day with solar, distance yes but only because an internal combustion engine can fill up anywhere in minutes whereas a quick charge station will take half an hour while you eat or have a coffee and finding fast charge stations here is not so easy though the company that installed our solar system has set up 8 or 10 fast charge stations in popular areas and growing, a fwd thinking Englishman.
Battery cold not going to happen here while cooling should be achieved whilst driving.

As for the electric grid? Mostly hopeless here as no fwd planning so you could be correct and the prime reason we got off it. Over the black outs and cranking up the generator. For us doing small distances we could charge the car with a simple 15Amp connection through the day while the sun shines and longer distances charge O/N while dining and sleeping in a hotel and pay the bill.

From what I gather the company we dealt with for solar, set up their smart charging stations in their commercial installations throughout Luzon and feed off that installation and not the grid but charge twice the price of grid power but still cheaper than fossil fuels.
The weigh up for me is spending P2m on a traditional car or twice the price for an EV,,,,,,, that's a lot of fuel and convenience to consider until fossil fuels are fazed out.

Cheers, Steve.

 

Yep great points Howard, some I hadn't thought about, most EV's will go 350 to 500 klicks on a full charge depending on model/brand.
Yes cost needs a big consideration, charging at home is easy and for us would be free as accomplished through the day with solar, distance yes but only because an internal combustion engine can fill up anywhere in minutes whereas a quick charge station will take half an hour while you eat or have a coffee and finding fast charge stations here is not so easy though the company that installed our solar system has set up 8 or 10 fast charge stations in popular areas and growing, a fwd thinking Englishman.
Battery cold not going to happen here while cooling should be achieved whilst driving.

As for the electric grid? Mostly hopeless here as no fwd planning so you could be correct and the prime reason we got off it. Over the black outs and cranking up the generator. For us doing small distances we could charge the car with a simple 15Amp connection through the day while the sun shines and longer distances charge O/N while dining and sleeping in a hotel and pay the bill.

From what I gather the company we dealt with for solar, set up their smart charging stations in their commercial installations throughout Luzon and feed off that installation and not the grid but charge twice the price of grid power but still cheaper than fossil fuels.
The weigh up for me is spending P2m on a traditional car or twice the price for an EV,,,,,,, that's a lot of fuel and convenience to consider until fossil fuels are fazed out.

Cheers, Steve.

Good idea Steve, you could take advantage of your solar system so that would work for your immediate area.

 

Bad EV reliability

EVs Are Getting More Reliable, but They Still Lag Behind Hybrids and Gas-Only Cars - Consumer Reports

Consumer Reports shares insights about how electric vehicles (EVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) compare against traditional cars in reliability, based on owner surveys.

www.consumerreports.org

 

I was surprised when I was looking for a new vehicle that you can no longer buy a Toyota Camry in the Philippines that is not a hybrid.

I'm happy to have chosen a 3.0 liter diesel with a turbo charger.

 

I think Honda civic and accord are available in the Philippines ? Honda is almost as good as a Toyota

 

Steve

To be safe, you need to limit your travel distance. For example, round trip to Makati on a full battery?

Just because you know the location of a charging station on your route does not guarantee it will be operational when you need it.

Personally, I think that within 10 years the EV manufacturers will perfect their vehicles to be highly reliable. Battery technology will improve.

But, even with your free solar charging at home, the EV prices are too high to be competitive. This is why Biden is banning internal combustion engine car sales by the early 2030s. Biden is raising emissions standard to the point that only EVs can pass.

Meanwhile USA car dealers wrote a letter to Biden that EVs are sitting on their lots unsold. Most people do not want to buy EVs.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a45989334/auto-dealers-sign-letter-to-urge-president-biden-to-tap-brakes-on-ev-mandate/

 

Agree La Cebra, an easy choice to stay with the norms and what you know but and but, Australia we had an Sl Merc, a 508 Peugeot wagon and 3 V8 Landcruisers,,,,, Ben would only drive the Peugeot, the Merc was too powerful and even a cushion on the seat couldn't judge the bonnet,,,,, the land cruisers he wouldn't go near, to big apparently.
Now a mid sized SUV here wants to upgrade to a Ford Raptor. Why I ask,,,,, because I like them,,,, Your ego Ben.
Remember the Aussie band Skyhooks? "Ego"

Mid size SUV works for us as there's no need for a short arse ute as 95% of things are delivered free unlike western countries.
Reading the input and comments I think we will stay with an internal combustion engine until the bugs are ironed out and the cost are reduced.

In the mean time no power bills nor black outs.

Cheers, Steve.

 

@Howard_Z

Hear you Mate,

Cheers, Steve.

 

Over here the better electric vehicles have battery conditioners so you can charge on the go and many have options to improve electrical use like aircon but the prices are daft and way too expensive.
most are built around western ways of life and don’t take into account other regions.
there are a few electric bikes around now. Some look really good and carry onboard a spare battery. It’s the range that may be an issue.
Honda introduced the small E class but range is an issue, more so in our colder months but it’s more for city use.
i just think the infrastructure is not yet ready and they need to reduce the price if they really want to move to all electric cars.

I like this bike, looks fairly nice.

 

Bottom line is if you really really want an EV. You are excited about EVs. You will buy the EV regardless of the negatives/cons.

Enjoy it.

 

Thanks to all, some great feedback both from here and another site.
I think I knew in my heart that while EV's sound good the justification of spending a large sum of money on something that we would only drive 5/6 thousand klicks a year is pointless. Perhaps I was thinking too green.
On reflection we did our bit now when it comes to reducing emissions by going off the grid.
Our last bill was 3 pesos and yesterdays was under 20 pesos. Much better than 10/11K and now using more power on A/C the bill could have been 15K per month, fuel in the car is like 3K per month.

Again thanks to all.

Cheers, Steve

 

Update.

Ben also tells me that the comp insurance on an Ionic 5 is around 120/130K per year. No thanks. kind of defeats the argument at least until EV manufacturers can get the costs comparable internal combustion vehicles. We will stay with our now 4 Y/O SUV, comp insurance 17K per year and spend 30/40K per year on fuel and these days with regulated emissions on newer cars, catalytic convertors etc. I know we are not belching like a jeepney.



Cheers, Steve.

 

Just remember if you are doing this to save the planet that the carbon payback is like 35,000km so if you don't drive much ( I don't think you do) you are actually causing more green house gases prior to the 35,000km mark then if you just buy an ICE vehicle.

 

Thanks Zep I Never looked at that and yes very relevant if you plug into a coal or oil fired grid but for us it was home charging on our own system but still the economics dictate to stay with our ICE SUV.

Cheers, Steve.

 

Actually where you plug in is irrelevant to this. It has to do with all the fossil fuel that is required to mine the battery materials (like 500,000 lbs of ore per battery). Mining ore takes a lot of diesel. The 35,000km is the starting point once the car battery is produced.

 

A little like the building of oil and coal fired power stations and then the fossil fuels to feed them? The building of solar systems, or the simple wood gathered for the cooking fire for the last hundred thousand years.

I get your drift Zep and the logical side of what you say, baby steps and we will get there. EV's at the moment don't make sense economically but I think a stand alone power system is far more viable than the grid even given the Co2 involved to produce then nothing to operate aside from possibly replacing batteries in 8/10 years and by that time I'm sure there will be better alternatives same as EV's.
As said I posted this thread for feed back and invaluable info from all members followed, made me see the sense of sticking with our current wheels.

Cheers, Steve.

 

From the infamous WEF, the battery is 30 to 40% of the cost of an EV. So maybe in a decade battery technology will improve and battery costs will be reduced.

Global boom in electric vehicles will strain mineral supply

The world’s battery capacity must grow 40 times larger than it is today to meet demand as carmakers' transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy.

www.weforum.org

 

How about a cheap electric car for city use. Probably the cheapest one available.

 

Maybe a gasoline generator on top of an electric car with no battery ?

 

Or go for the Filipino invention, which split water DURING driving and run the engine at that gas?
A problem is though the car only run until the car battery get empty 🤣 by the water spliting process need electricity. At demonstration the inventor only drove a short round, less than 100 meters...

 

Well, he's one view on it (personally...doesn't affect me) :
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Here in the Philippines? I will stay with diesel. I might consider a small, cheap EV for the wife, to replace her Ford Fiesta. However, considering how often she forgets to put gas in her car, I have a premonition of seeing her stuck on the side of the rode because she forgot to plug the car into the charger. Can't bring a can full of electricity to her.

 

If wife get an electric cheap motorbike, extra battery to such can be brought as backup by they arent so heavy.

 

All good and I'm not going the EV route as the economics don't stack up.
Graham I watched your supplied video with interest, some bias and plenty of things to think about, after watching that video I found another on what Toyota are doing with what they call water engines, fill your car with distilled water and their system converts that to Hydrogen while you are driving so no bulk storage tank/s simply H2o, I have searched and searched but can't find the link.

Cheers, Steve.

 

The Hydrogen route does seem to make more sense, but presumably still many obstacles to widespread practical application ?
Not something I've looked into much, to be honest. I'm a die-hard 'petrolhead', into noisy gas-guzzling motors and motor sports. lol

 

I do still drive 'electric' cars on my Xboxes. 🤪
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I want a Flintstones foot power car ?

 

Off topic but good for a quick run to the local Chinese for Christmas lunch Howard, make sure you get a treat for Dino when you return.
Enjoy your Xmas.

Cheers, Steve.

 

This Water Engine Will DESTROY The Entire Car Industry! - YouTube

Found this this but is not the original one I saw but similar. For some reason the link is not active (wonder who is in control of that?) But if you copy and paste to a new browser it works, I have checked.

The beauty of these engines is they still run on ICE and produce the same noise but with added power and somewhere else I read that there was a 5 litre V8 in the works, zero emissions. We all play the wait and see game.

Seems a little research by individuals is required as I keep getting stifled, Search it once and never again.
Interesting technology that has been around for decades and appears to be Squashed,,,,, Let's see how Toyota goes against the oligarchy.

Progress has never been stopped except by those feathering their own nests..

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.