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189/190 visa and PhD work experience

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#1 ·
Hi everyone,

I have a Bachelor's and Master's in Biochemistry and have both worked and received a fellowship during my PhD studies. The work I did during my PhD and was paid for is relevant to the occupation I am applying for. I do medical/scientific research in an academic setting. I got my PhD title in 11/2021, but continued getting paid the same and doing the same work, because the title is a consequence of my work and not the opposite. Only difference is that now I am officially a "post-doc". In summary, this is what I have:

12/2015 - Masters degree concluded

02/2016-02/2019 3 years work contract (academia/research)
02/2019-07/2020 1.5 years fellowship (academia/research)
07/2020-12/2020 0.5 years work contract (academia/research)
01/2021-07/2021 0.5 years work contract (industry)
07/2021-today 1.5 years work contract (academia/research)

PhD was defended officially in the middle of my current work contract (11/2021). It changed nothing in terms of my work situation.

Other than the 6 months industry job, I have been working on the same place, and my job has naturally developed into what it is today. All experience I have acquired, including the 1.5 years paid with a fellowship, are relevant to the kind of work/job I want to apply for. With that said, does anyone have any idea on what I can expect?

I either see it as one of 3 possibilities:
1 - Fellowship disregarded, all other work relevant: >5 years work experience as biochemist/life scientist (10 points). PhD acknowleged (20 points) = 30 points total
2 - All work before PhD disregarded. 1.5 years work experience considered (0 points). PhD acknowledged (20 points) = 20 points total
3 - Fellowship disregarded, all other work relevant: >5 years work experience as biochemist/life scientist (10 points). Master's degree acknowleged (15 points) = 25 points total.

VETASSESS is terribly ambiguous and I have no idea what to expect. Do they look at all my qualifications? Do they only judge one? Is PhD work considered as work experience if remunerated accordingly and relevant for the career? Any peer would consider me to be a scientist with almost 7 years of work experience, but I can't for the life of me understand what VETASSESS would consider me as. All the paid work I have done during my PhD could be done by someone with a master's without any intention of following a PhD and was remunerated as such, in which case they would score 25 points (situation 2), so it seems silly that I would score less points by choosing to do a PhD and "lose" that work experience and score only 20 points.

Any idea of what I can expect? I can anyway score 80 points in the worst case scenario and I am not in a rush to get a visa, so I was thinking of going for it regardless.

Thanks a lot for any help or suggestions!
 
#2 ·
To be frank, no one can predict hat will the assessment outcome
It’s best to bite the bullet and hope for the best
Cheers
 
#3 ·
Your situation is like getting a research assistant position but can work through a phd degree at the same time. Was your salary during phd contributed to tax and social/health insurance? Normally, VETASSESS is extremely strict to award working experience point during PhD study if it is only awarded as scholarship with tuition fee and basic living stipend. This stipend is generally exempted from tax and social contribution.

If your work during PhD is what I mentioned earlier, then you can get working experience and phd points. Some examples are most PhDs in Europe are hired as scientists or research associates which are actually a job and have to pay tax and social contribution. Or one is working in a relevant job and pursue a PhD at the same time. In both examples, they are awarded works and study points.
 
#4 ·
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Hello and thank you very much for the reply. Its not uncommon to get hired to do a PhD here, at least in my field: you get your salary, do research on a topic that has been proposed by your employer, and you write up a PhD on it based on your results. Its not really something you do (or can do) just for yourself and by yourself. You pay all taxes and health/personal insurance as any other worker.

I did my PhD in Germany and had a work contract for 3.5 years of it. Then I got paid another year while working and waiting for my thesis defense, and another year and a half after my thesis defense. In the middle of my PhD I was temporarly paid with a tax-free fellowship for 1.5 years, while the lab didnt have funding allocated to support another work contract. But even that fellowship was quite generous, I got paid the same amount of money in my account, but because its tax-free, i didnt have to pay tax or any contributions on that money.

And now I am still working, but I defended my thesis already xD my job didnt really change much, other than naturally getting more responsibilities over time due to experience and not really the PhD. The PhD is just a milestone along the way that you are expected to get, but you dont suddenly become more qualified or capable because you got that degree. Its the years that led to it that matter, really. As an extreme example, I have a colleague that has been around for almost 10 years and she has still not defended her PhD due to personal choices. But she has 8-10 years of experience in the job, from my point of view.

Anyway, I think I will have to give it a try and see what they say. Thanks again and happy new year!