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We are moving to Spain hopefully before our baby is due end of May 2010, does anybody know will the baby get a UK or Spanish passport?
Thanks
Polly
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Polly
IMHOI suspect your baby will get both providing you do all the necessary paperwork
Jo xxx
IMHO
First of all it depends what nationality you and the father are - but assuming you are both British citizens then you will be able to apply at the British Consulate here in Spain for a UK passport. It will depend on the UK government's rules as to whether you will be able to apply for a Spanish passport. This is how I understand it - for eg Denmark allows dual citizenship but Sweden does not - you have to revoke your Swedish citizenship in order to obtain a Spanish passport.
I'm sure more knowlegible (how the hell do you spell this word??) OPs will respond to your Q.
Graham
If you have a look at the following you might find all of your answers:We are moving to Spain hopefully before our baby is due end of May 2010, does anybody know will the baby get a UK or Spanish passport?
Thanks
Polly
I doubt it! Jus soli is fading fast except in the US where it sits almost inviolate in the XIVth. It left the UK in 1983 BTW.I suspect your baby will get both providing you do all the necessary paperwork
Jo xxx
I think you're right on this one. Someone I know looked into the situation, due to similar circumstances (different nationalities involved), but the end result is that a child born in Spain only gets Spanish nationality if one or both of the parents is Spanish or if neither parent has a nationality that can be transmitted to the child and thus the child would be stateless. (In the case I know of, the child was born in France, which has changed its laws recently and because the parents' nationality was not transmissible, the poor little kid literally is stateless. Parents then moved to Spain and were hoping maybe their kid can get Spanish nationality based on the Spanish "loophole.")I doubt it! Jus soli is fading fast except in the US where it sits almost inviolable in the XIVth. It left the UK in 1983 BTW.
My quick reading of it is that the child will not be a Spanish citizen at birth unless one of their parents was Spanish or neither parent possessed a nationality. But it was a very quick research.
so how come I 'know' someone on a different forum who is british, as is his wife - and they have 2 kids born here in spain who have spanish passports?I think you're right on this one. Someone I know looked into the situation, due to similar circumstances (different nationalities involved), but the end result is that a child born in Spain only gets Spanish nationality if one or both of the parents is Spanish or if neither parent has a nationality that can be transmitted to the child and thus the child would be stateless. (In the case I know of, the child was born in France, which has changed its laws recently and because the parents' nationality was not transmissible, the poor little kid literally is stateless. Parents then moved to Spain and were hoping maybe their kid can get Spanish nationality based on the Spanish "loophole.")
I know I was surprised a few years ago when researching this issue to find that jus sanguinis is by far the dominant system for acquiring nationality at birth. And as you mentioned, it is just getting more popular these days.
Cheers,
Bev
While I hate to give 100% credence to Wikipedia, this is what it says under Spanish nationaility law:so how come I 'know' someone on a different forum who is british, as is his wife - and they have 2 kids born here in spain who have spanish passports?
i'm pretty sure they also have british ones, too
It would seem there are multiple options for obtaining Spanish citizenship: by origin, through residence, by consolidation, and by option.so how come I 'know' someone on a different forum who is british, as is his wife - and they have 2 kids born here in spain who have spanish passports?
i'm pretty sure they also have british ones, too
Citizenship law has also been changing over the last 5 or 10 years just about everywhere in the EU. Depends, I suppose, on when the kids were born in Spain.so how come I 'know' someone on a different forum who is british, as is his wife - and they have 2 kids born here in spain who have spanish passports?
i'm pretty sure they also have british ones, too
Me? Lolso how come I 'know' someone on a different forum who is british, as is his wife - and they have 2 kids born here in spain who have spanish passports?
i'm pretty sure they also have british ones, too
So were they Spanish from birth?Me? Lol
2 of mine were born in Spain and have Spanish birth certificates, DNI numbers and therefore Spanish passports. They will have the option of UK passports if they so wish through the Consulate in Madrid.
Supposedly, my eldest who was born in the UK should be in the Family book, but no one can say yes or no to that at the moment, even though we have been granted "Familiar Numerosa"!
If you are who I think you areMe? Lol
2 of mine were born in Spain and have Spanish birth certificates, DNI numbers and therefore Spanish passports. They will have the option of UK passports if they so wish through the Consulate in Madrid.
Supposedly, my eldest who was born in the UK should be in the Family book, but no one can say yes or no to that at the moment, even though we have been granted "Familiar Numerosa"!
Correcto! The births can also be registered at the British consulate which gets them a UK birth certificate too though!Surely if a child is born in a country, it has to have the birth certificate/certification of that country - that is common sense isnt it?? The UK cant certify a birth if it didnt happen there!?? Working on that theory, to get the said child back to the UK or anywhere else it would need a passport and that passport must be related to the country of birth - or am I way off??
Jo xxx
Lol, the clue is in the user name!!If you are who I think you are
yeah, you :clap2:
Not necessarily - it depends on the nationality of the parents and then what the laws are in the country in which the child is born. The case I know of involves Argentinian parents with a child born in France. The way the law has changed, the kid doesn't get French nationality - and apparently he can't get Argentinian nationality until and unless he lives in Argentina for some period of time.Surely if a child is born in a country, it has to have the birth certificate/certification of that country - that is common sense isnt it?? The UK cant certify a birth if it didnt happen there!?? Working on that theory, to get the said child back to the UK or anywhere else it would need a passport and that passport must be related to the country of birth - or am I way off??
Jo xxx
The country where you were born will certainly issue a birth certificate. But if there is no jus soli (literally "right of the soil") then you will derive no citizenship benefits from it. For example, if a child was born to American citizen couple serving on a US military base before 1983, the child would have had both US and UK citizenship. However, after 1983 the child would have had only US citizenship since the UK repealed jus soli.Surely if a child is born in a country, it has to have the birth certificate/certification of that country - that is common sense isnt it?? The UK cant certify a birth if it didnt happen there!?? Working on that theory, to get the said child back to the UK or anywhere else it would need a passport and that passport must be related to the country of birth - or am I way off??
Jo xxx