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Hello everyone. I'm a US resident who wishes to become an expat very soon.

I've recently decided that I would like to relocate over the long term. I'm not quite sure where I want to end up. So far, in my search for a new home, all I've found are places that I don't want to go.

What I'm looking for is quite simple:

1. Year-round warm weather
2. Extremely low taxes on personal income and business income generated abroad (of wherever I might live)
3. Politically stable, with strong civil liberties
4. American style gun laws

The last point seems to be a huge problem. It seems that wherever I look, the laws simply don't allow citizens to own and carry guns for protection. Either its banned outright, or they have to be stored locked up at home all the time. What good is that if you're being attacked by a criminal?

Other than that, I'm fairly flexible.

Does anyone have any suggestion as to what countries I might want to look into?
 

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Hi expat30

You've probably already realised that Australia won't be suitable and neither will the UK. Although Australia is great for the first one it fails on 2 and 4 (and I'm very glad is fails on 4 :) ).

Regards,
Karen
 

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Yeah, unfortunately. Australia was great to visit, but I could never call it home. The more I read the news, I can't really keep calling the US home.

What is so frustrating is that I can't seem to find any place that just lets people be left alone, as long as they aren't bothering others. Is the whole world really headed to a big government nanny state? Either they think they deserve half of my business income that is purely Internet, no thanks to them, for their pet projects, or they want to tell me what to eat, and what doctor to see, and track absolutely every piece of private data.

There has to be at least one place welcoming of libertarians, right?
 

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Generally when we get a query like yours, I make the comment that you need to be running TO something rather than AWAY from something. That seems to be the issue here.

Honestly, I know of no country that has American style gun laws. And I certainly don't know of any countries that share the US view of "strong civil liberties" in the sense I think you probably mean that. Then again, why would you need to carry a gun around all the time "for personal protection" if you are in a country with a low crime rate?

The other big question is, what languages do you speak? Given that all the big English speaking countries are off the list, you're going to need a foreign language (or two or three) to get by.

One caveat on #2: As a US citizen, you'll be subject to US tax laws no matter where in the world you eventually decide to settle. Only overseas earned income (i.e. salary) is subject to the exclusion - and so you'll wind up paying US taxes (or the equivalent) on your business income generated abroad anyhow.
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Bev
 

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Bevdeforges,

Thank you for your reply.

In this case, I have good reasons to go elsewhere. While I understand that people considering relocation should generally be looking to go somewhere, instead of get away from somewhere, those situations are predicated on the need for improvement, not escapism. I am looking to escape, so I need to find somewhere - anywhere.

Civil liberties are very important to me, and I don't feel that the US has stuck to the promises made to its citizens by the Constitution. There has to be someplace in the world where government takes a hands-off approach to its citizens, rather than trying to constantly meddle in their lives.

There is no such thing as a safe area. There are only safer areas. Were it not for lawful firearm carry, I probably wouldn't be here today, so that is one fundamental liberty I am unwilling to give up. There is no other way for citizens of any physical stature to put themselves on equal footing with a large, aggressive criminal. Calling the police is useless, since they can't respond fast enough to interrupt the crime before the criminal has a chance to maim or kill.

Since I plan on permanent relocation and adoption of citizenship elsewhere, US tax law is of no consequence to me once my move is finished. I have no plans to retain US citizenship or even go back - ever.

I currently speak only English, but I am a fast learner, and I am willing to learn whatever language(s) are needed to find a new home. This is why I am planning this well in advance, so I have the time to learn another language, if necessary.
 

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If you are unwilling to give up the right to carry a gun you might as well stay where you are.
To be honest I would not want to live in any country where every nutcase can carry a gun and shoot down people because they have a little hissy fit over something and I certainly wouldnt want you and your guns moving to any country I live in.
So please do not even think of Cyprus.

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If you are unwilling to give up the right to carry a gun you might as well stay where you are.
To be honest I would not want to live in any country where every nutcase can carry a gun and shoot down people because they have a little hissy fit over something and I certainly wouldnt want you and your guns moving to any country I live in.
So please do not even think of Cyprus.

Veronica

I'm inclined to agree with you Veronica, if one person is allowed to carry a gun, then everyone must be allowed and that then gives everyone the possiblility of using them!!

IMO, no one gets to carry one and then no one gets shot!!

So maybe the OP, should be prepared to reliquish his weapon and learn to feel safe within himself before trying to run away - cos you cant run away from your inner fears!

Jo xxx
 

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You could buy your own island - there would still be some government intervention but depending on where you bought it there may not be much.

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Karen
 
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My suggestions would be:

1) Somalia
2) Afghanistan
3) Iraq

Or you could try the Mexican north, or the Sudan, the Congo.

Otherwise if you decide to head for a civilised country, you can safely leave your gun behind. Please.
 
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