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Welcome to the 'Flat White Cafe'.

The coffee lounge is here for the lighter things in life - the chit-chat, and socialising.

And maybe for some of those amusing anecdotes and newspaper articles that you come across in your travels.

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Ive been wondering why people who grow tobacco ( a legal substance) should be taxed?

There are many road side ,flea market stalls who pay nothing or at most a small levy for selling produce so why should a person be heavily taxed for selling tobacco he grows!

Government should keep its greedy chubby fingers off peoples money!

Smoking may not be a healthy choice ,but then again neither is eating fat and sugar products ( and yes obesity is just as bad for our health)

What do you think ?
 

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tax! and NZ has the notion it can become smoke-free by 2025.

"The illegal manufacture of tobacco deprives the taxpayer of tax revenue and undermines public health initiatives. source
tobacco excise, expected to take $1.3 billion this financial year, would increase by $139 million over four years, source
and to fund

$20 million Pathway to Smokefree 2025 innovation fund announced in the Budget. This fund will also be used to encourage and support quit attempts. source
 

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...and if is about the guy in Motueka, he was selling it to 'friends who asked if they could have some'. So my understanding is that it was tax on the sales rather than the keeping it for himself that was probably their biggest gripe!
 

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..But my point is 'Why does the Govt ( or anyone else) have the right to tax anything people sell... ..period!

Do we as taxpayers get a share or interest back on sales that the Govt makes?

Not on you nelly.

..The law is inconsistent in my opinion and very top heavy.

Less Government intervention I say.

Thank you for the quotes listed. More hypocrisy.

Geeze if they cared about peoples health ,GP's would write out a prescription to an affordable or dare I say it a Govt subsidized Gym...but ..hell noooo...no money in it and more money in prescribing ahem legal drugs
 

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...and if is about the guy in Motueka, he was selling it to 'friends who asked if they could have some'. So my understanding is that it was tax on the sales rather than the keeping it for himself that was probably their biggest gripe!
he had a lot of friends!
4,790 kilograms of illegally manufactured tobacco would have made approximately 6.8 million cigarettes
 

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..But my point is 'Why does the Govt ( or anyone else) have the right to tax anything people sell... ..period!

Do we as taxpayers get a share or interest back on sales that the Govt makes?

Not on you nelly.

..The law is inconsistent in my opinion and very top heavy.

Less Government intervention I say.

Thank you for the quotes listed. More hypocrisy.

Geeze if they cared about peoples health ,GP's would write out a prescription to an affordable or dare I say it a Govt subsidized Gym...but ..hell noooo...no money in it and more money in prescribing ahem legal drugs
There are a lot of countries out there with the same hypocrisy.

Only two things inevitable in life - tax and death :D
 

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They're gonna tax, fat and sugar soon, dont you worry! And when they figure out how much money they are losing from not having their fingers in the 'pot' industry they'll be into that too!!
 

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Ive been wondering why people who grow tobacco ( a legal substance) should be taxed?

There are many road side ,flea market stalls who pay nothing or at most a small levy for selling produce so why should a person be heavily taxed for selling tobacco he grows!

Government should keep its greedy chubby fingers off peoples money!

Smoking may not be a healthy choice ,but then again neither is eating fat and sugar products ( and yes obesity is just as bad for our health)

What do you think ?
A person who smokes a pack a day has over a 50% chance of getting lung cancer. Here in Canada, I saw that it costs our health plan about 600,000 bucks for treatment while the cancer patient dies. This ignores all the other health problems with smoking.

You *do* make an good argument for taxing sugar and fat. The costs of dying of a heart attack or stroke average out quite a bit cheaper than dying of lung cancer. So your bad choice doesn't cost me as much.

A first very rough kick at the cat shows you should pay a $1 tax per cigarette to balance out the costs. (50% chance of a 600K bill = 300K, 25 cigs a day = 9125 cigs a year. 30 years smoking = 275,000. Close enough.)

So let's try a $1/pound tax on sugar and a similar one on fat. For us canucks that's an average of 100g/day or about 90 pounds per year for sugars. (Americans are about 60% higher. Couldn't find detailed numbers, but north Americans on the average get about 40% of their calories from fats. If the average diet is 2000 cals/day then that's 800 cals from fat or about 90 grams total. So again around 80-100 pounds a year. A $1/pound tax would be about 4000 bucks over a person's life span. Might pay for your first heart attack. Maybe we should tax it at $5/pound.

I'm not a libertarian. I am willing that my taxes to some extent pay for other people's bad choices. But where we can, taxing the bad choice may nip that problem in the bud, or reduce it's impact on society as a whole.
 

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..But my point is 'Why does the Govt ( or anyone else) have the right to tax anything people sell... ..period!

Do we as taxpayers get a share or interest back on sales that the Govt makes?

Not on you nelly.
No, it goes into the general fund that pays for things like your socialized medicine, your roads, your police, your firemen, your child welfare.

..The law is inconsistent in my opinion and very top heavy.
Why is it inconsistent?

Less Government intervention I say.



Thank you for the quotes listed. More hypocrisy.

Geeze if they cared about peoples health ,GP's would write out a prescription to an affordable or dare I say it a Govt subsidized Gym...but ..hell noooo...no money in it and more money in prescribing ahem legal drugs
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Actually, gym membership doesn't correlate well with increased health benefits. Too many people either take out a membership and don't go, or concentrate solely on body building, which has a neutral benefit.

A better means of doing this would be to have a yearly fitness test along side your yearly medical checkup. If you can run 2 miles in under X minutes (The Canadian armed forces test is 1 mile under 12 minutes -- which for me, at age 65 takes about 3 weeks training to get to.) then you get Y bucks added to your income tax return. Come up with similar tests in swimming, or bicycling.

You could add bonus points for being able to do things like n pushups, or c chinups.

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