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I couldn't find a thread that dealt with people wanting to apply based on pure work experience.

Its clear that work experience only means that you have to go down the RPL route.

I have gained references to cover 13 years and 3 months of related work experience to the ANZSCO I am targeting - Analyst developer, which means I need an ACS assessment.

Please could someone confirm what ACS will take from my experience for RPL and how many points I will be left with for my skilled experience that can be used for points.

I have read a number of articles and believe that they will deduct 8 years for RPL and that I require a further 8 years experience on top to receive a positive ACS result.

Thanks in advance.
 

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Hi there,
I couldn't find a thread that dealt with people wanting to apply based on pure work experience.

Its clear that work experience only means that you have to go down the RPL route.

I have gained references to cover 13 years and 3 months of related work experience to the ANZSCO I am targeting - Analyst developer, which means I need an ACS assessment.

Please could someone confirm what ACS will take from my experience for RPL and how many points I will be left with for my skilled experience that can be used for points.

I have read a number of articles and believe that they will deduct 8 years for RPL and that I require a further 8 years experience on top to receive a positive ACS result.

Thanks in advance.
I was in the same situation - 15+ years of work experience in the ICT industry and a completely unrelated master diploma (economics), so RPL also was the way to go for me.

You are right: The ACS deducts 8 years from your work experience if you're applying for an assessment solely based on your work experience without any relevant education. In your case this means that (in the best case) you would be able to claim 10 points for 5 years and 3 months of work experience in SkillSelect.
 

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That's great thanks. So just to confirm

I would gain 10 points for the RPL
(A successful authorised skills assessment in a recognised qualification = 10 points)

I would gain 10 points for 5yrs experience

I would gain 25 points for being 36

I could then take a language test and hopefully get 20 points and that's a job well done?

Thanks

Ps if I had 16 years experience i assume I would (best case) get the RPL and have 8 years experience to get me 15 points?
 

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That's great thanks. So just to confirm

I would gain 10 points for the RPL
(A successful authorised skills assessment in a recognised qualification = 10 points)

I would gain 10 points for 5yrs experience

I would gain 25 points for being 36

I could then take a language test and hopefully get 20 points and that's a job well done?

Thanks

Ps if I had 16 years experience i assume I would (best case) get the RPL and have 8 years experience to get me 15 points?
As far as I am aware the only purpose of the ACS assessment (with or without RPL) is to enable you to claim points for skilled employment. I have never heard of a skills assessment by RPL enabling someone to also claim 10 points for education qualification. Unless some senior member of this forum can confirm this, I would strongly recommend talking to a migration agent before submitting an EOI based on the above points calculation.

Also you have only 3 months of buffer to the 5 year border. The ACS tends to calculate months rather restrictively, i.e. by not recognising incomplete months of work history (when starting or quitting a job). So you might want to double-check that, just to make sure that you won't lose more than 3 months during the actual assessment.
 

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On a number of websites I see the following options to pick from for Educational Qualifications. I noted the 5th option which is what ACS are giving for the 8 years of experience.

- Doctorate Award by Australian RTO or overseas recognised RTO)
- Bachelor degree from Australian RTO or Bachelor qualification from recognised RTO overseas
- Diploma from Australian RTO
- Trade certificate from Australian RTO
- Skills assessment for overseas qualification
 

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On a number of websites I see the following options to pick from for Educational Qualifications. I noted the 5th option which is what ACS are giving for the 8 years of experience.

- Doctorate Award by Australian RTO or overseas recognised RTO)
- Bachelor degree from Australian RTO or Bachelor qualification from recognised RTO overseas
- Diploma from Australian RTO
- Trade certificate from Australian RTO
- Skills assessment for overseas qualification
They mean that you would need to have any non-Australian qualification assessed before it could be used for points.

It's important to understand that any qualification you have gets used twice. First ACS will use it to decide how many years experience they will need to provide for them to assess you as skilled. Second: you may claim points in your DIBP EOI.

MAy I ask what your highest qualification level is (regardless of relevance to ICT)?
 

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- Skills assessment for overseas qualification
I did a little research but unfortunately weren't able to find any confirmation that this is possible - a few people have asked similar questions (in older threads in this forum), but the general response was: No, it's not possible to claim points for education with an assessment for skilled employment, as this is what the ACS does: They assess your overseas skilled work experience and not your overseas education. At least my (RPL-based) ACS assessment states: "The following employment after XXX is considered to equate to work at an appropriately skilled level and relevant to 261112 (Systems Analyst) of the ANZSCO Code." - education is mentioned nowhere.

Also writing a RPL and claiming points for education seems to be a contradiction in itself - you are getting an assessment based on RPL because you don't have a relevant qualification profile. I believe that the term "skills assessment for overseas qualification" applies to miscellaneous qualification paths and certificates that aren't recognised under Australian legislation for which you'd need to get an assessment (typically by VETASSES), enabling you to claim those 10 points. Or some tertiary education diplomas that aren't recognised.

But as I said - I am not totally sure, so unless some senior member of this forum can 100% confirm that you can double-claim points for both skilled work experience AND education with a RPL-based assessment, I would strongly recommend to seek professional advice on this matter.
 

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Hi there,
I have no formal qualifications I'm afraid - I did GCSE's then went out in to the world.
I have stacks of course that I have done, and a Prince 2 qualification that has elapsed.
 

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Taking on board all feedback this is how I think I might be able to get there.

I go further back in history for my experience - back to year 2000. I believe I can get back to back references for 202 month - 16years 10 months.

I think this would be sufficient to get me through ACS with 8 years left intact for points @ 15 points.
 

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Taking on board all feedback this is how I think I might be able to get there.

I go further back in history for my experience - back to year 2000. I believe I can get back to back references for 202 month - 16years 10 months.

I think this would be sufficient to get me through ACS with 8 years left intact for points @ 15 points.
To be frank, I'd rather work with someone who left school with GCSEs and has been getting his hands dirty for near 17 years than some guy who passed a dubious IT degree course in some far flung university then worked at an offshore centre for 24 months. But the system is what it is.....

IF you can get the experience back that far, you're golden. Worth also noting is that MCSE and MCSD are accepted, as well as the higher Cisco exams (pro and expert). This will reduce the burden somewhat
 
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Taking on board all feedback this is how I think I might be able to get there.

I go further back in history for my experience - back to year 2000. I believe I can get back to back references for 202 month - 16years 10 months.

I think this would be sufficient to get me through ACS with 8 years left intact for points @ 15 points.
If your work history goes back that far, then that should do the trick. AFAIK there aren't any cut-offs for the Analyst Programmer occupation, so with 60 points, you're all good. :) Make sure, that the reference letters you provide all relate to the duties that are listed in the ACS' ANZSCO descriptions for your nominated occupation. Good luck!
 

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Your a Good guy, I too would rather work with someone with the experience of time.

My plan is as follows:

1. Apply for all of the references back to year 2000
2. If the reference experience hits 17 years then I will site the language test
3. If I pass the language test with 20 points then I will start the RPL project reports

This would give me the following points

Age @ 25
Skills Experience @ 15
Language at 20

Its feels very tight....

do I have a fighting chance or am I living on cloud 9...
 

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Good plan - and definitely worth a try.

Your occupation is not among those in ultra-high demand (such as Business/Systems Analyst and Software Developer) and it is also not on flagged for possible removal from the 2017/2018 SOLs. Therefore, you do have a realistic chance of getting an invitation to apply for a visa - although with 60 points, it might take some time.

The Analyst Programmer occupation is also eligible for state sponsorship in NSW, TAS and (with limitations) SA. If you can imagine to settle in either of these three states, you could also opt for a subclass 190 visa as you'd be able to claim 5 additional points (giving you a total of 65).
 

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Thanks for the encouragement - I was getting a bit down.
I technically am a software developer - would this be a better ANZSCO to target?.

I have looked at the language test - scoring 20 looks like it would be very hard.


As a backup I am looking at whether my wife would be better applying. She is a dental Care Professional - NVQ Level 4 qualified.
 

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If you can manage to get your skills assessed and your references written towards the Analyst Programmer occupation I would definitely recommend that over the Software Developer occupation, as the latter is in much, much higher demand.

Also, for Software Developers the cut-off has been set to 75 (!) points as of April 2017 due the high number of applications. Although, it might well be that it drops back to the "normal" level of 65 points after July 1st. Still, you would need to go the subclass 190 path and probably have to wait for a long time. No such cut-offs exist for the Analyst Programmer occupation, thus leaving you with more options.

The occupations "Dental Specialist" and "Dental Technician" (which might match your wife's profession) are listed on the short-term skilled occupations list - so if you went that way you would also need to go for the subclass 190 visa, as occupations listed on the STSOL aren't eligible for subclass 189 visas.
 

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Analyst developer it is - lets hope they don't raise the points bar in the mean time.

I did wonder.
If I get a positive outcome from ACS do they simply state that I am eligible to apply under my chosen occupation? or do they also quantify the amount of time I can claim points for too?

I believe the answer is they are just interested in me meeting the criteria and they give me a certificate with a skill met date. I assume I will then need to submit my references to the VISA assesses to demonstrate skilled experience after that date.
 

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The ACS assessment result letter is a little bit more detailed: They list all your work history that qualifies as skilled employment in your nominated occupation and all work history they consider not suitable. Also, they set a date after which your skilled (!) employment is considered to equate to work at an appropriate skilled level in your nominated occupation.

Later, when submitting your EOI via SkillSelect, you can claim points for skilled employment after that set date.

SkillSelect calculates the points automatically - you only have to enter all your work history and select whether or not it has been assessed as suitable as skilled employment in your nominated occupation. This should correspond with the ACS assessment results letter.

So in your case it would be good if your skilled employment history after that set date sums up to > 8 years.

Good luck, mate! :)
 

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The ACS assessment result letter is a little bit more detailed: They list all your work history that qualifies as skilled employment in your nominated occupation and all work history they consider not suitable. Also, they set a date after which your skilled (!) employment is considered to equate to work at an appropriate skilled level in your nominated occupation.

Later, when submitting your EOI via SkillSelect, you can claim points for skilled employment after that set date.

SkillSelect calculates the points automatically - you only have to enter all your work history and select whether or not it has been assessed as suitable as skilled employment in your nominated occupation. This should correspond with the ACS assessment results letter.

So in your case it would be good if your skilled employment history after that set date sums up to > 8 years.

Good luck, mate! :)
Oh and yes, you'll also have to submit reference letters, pay slips, contracts, ... as proof that you have actually worked in the positions you have claimed points for to the DIBP when lodging your visa application. The DIBP usually relies on the ACS assessment when it comes to calculating points.
 

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yikes. So this would be for the employment from the "met date".

Do they just need a few payslips or all? I'm not sure I would have past contracts for all of the companies and I would have payslips for most.... am I doomed?
 

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Yes, it's a lot of paperwork - and no, you're not doomed.

The DIBP tries to create an image of the person that applies for permanent residency - no-one knows how they run their background checks, but given the number of applications I assume that if all the bits and pieces of information fit together well, then they probably won't ask for extremely detailed information such as every single pay slip of the last 10 years.

What you'll definitely need though is a reference letter for every job you claim points for. And it would also be good if you had at least a second piece of evidence that proves that you have actually worked in that position - the more, the better. Evidence could be: the actual contract, some payslips and/or bank account statements that show that you have been payed, annual income tax statements, pension fund statements - anything that proves your relationship with the company you claim you have worked for. Perhaps also staff listings on the company's website will help - be creative.

Statutory declarations are also an option but should be used with great caution and only as "last resort" as chances are that they won't be accepted by the DIBP, thus jeopardising your entire application.

When you get in touch with your former employers, make sure that the reference letters comply with the DIBP's formal requirements. They must be printed on company letter head and list the title of your job and your duties, the begin and end date of your contract and whether you have worked full-time or part-time. Also, name and position of the person signing your reference letter have to be readable - as well as his/her phone number, should the DIBP wish make verifications.

Detailed information can be found here: https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa...endent-visa-(subclass-189)-document-checklist
 
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