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Sorry not sure where to pos. For obvious reasons we are desperate for daughters and grandchildren to visit, and whilst the U.K. appears to be forging ahead with thier vaccination program,I’m struggling to find regional statistics for Spain, mainly because I’m very tired and can’t function properly. Any easy links would be greatly appreciated as would not knocking the EU etc just simple facts

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Yes, have to admit that the UK vaccine programme is absolutely powering ahead and Spain's is not, well much depends on where you live...
At the moment only 2% of the population has been vaccinated. I'm not sure if that means people have had the 2 injections necessary or not or have just received one and so are included in the vaccination programme. Here is an article that shows differences between comunidades, but have to admit I'm not sure what the figures really mean.
Vacunación en España | Datos y porcentajes de población vacunada de coronavirus por comunidades
A third vaccine, Janssen, will be approved soon in Spain and this is much awaited as you only need one dose. It won't actually be approved and ready for use here until the tail end of the vaccinating programme though.
 

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not very good then.... wonder how they’re comparing with rest of EU
Spain is next only to Denmark and Italy in vaccine rollout in EU, followed by Baltic States, Germany, Central Europe. Near the bottom is France.
 

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Let's not turn this into a comparison discussion eh?
Im not. its important to see how other countries are doing as this is not a Spanish/French or great British disease this is a global pandemic and every delay I one country causes issues for others

Yes, have to admit that the UK vaccine programme is absolutely powering ahead and Spain's is not, well much depends on where you live...
At the moment only 2% of the population has been vaccinated. I'm not sure if that means people have had the 2 injections necessary or not or have just received one and so are included in the vaccination programme. Here is an article that shows differences between comunidades, but have to admit I'm not sure what the figures really mean.
Vacunación en España | Datos y porcentajes de población vacunada de coronavirus por comunidades
A third vaccine, Janssen, will be approved soon in Spain and this is much awaited as you only need one dose. It won't actually be approved and ready for use here until the tail end of the vaccinating programme though.
I agree. If the U.K. figures are to be believed and I have no reason not too, for the first time they’re ahead of the game.

Spain is next only to Denmark and Italy in vaccine rollout in EU, followed by Baltic States, Germany, Central Europe. Near the bottom is France.
that’s good to Hear. I’m not sure what my prognosis is, I’d like to see my girls and grandchildren again which is why I’m asking the question.
 

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The U.K. apear to be doing a good job looking at the news. Vaccination must be priority one if the world is going to end the lockdown / open up / lockdown again vicious cycling. Unless Spain goes up a few gears with its vaccination program, then we will still be locking down in another 12+ months time. It’s not looking promising for Spain or the EU currently, it would appear the failure to early purchase vaccines by the EU, coupled with Spanish delays to roll out what they have got are the causes of the issue?
Assuming it’s possible to get to the U.K. does anyone know if expats can get a vaccination in the U.K.
 

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I suppose the main issue will be international travel. I fear that there will be two options come summer. One lift restrictions, if sufficient numbers are vaccinated, but keep borders closed or open borders but keep restrictions. If the virus can still be passed after vaccination I think all countries will maintain restrictions on travel but allow their own population to get back to work, study, etc. Last years opening of borders for Spain was seen as a huge mistake and New Zealand is being seen as an example we should all have followed.
 

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I can see that the "opportunity" being created by some of Spain's health authorities is that the vaccine is offered by private medical services.
The goverment hasn't authorised this yet and doesn't want to (the ideal situation for a socialist government is obviously that everyone gets the vaccine free of charge), but the slow progress is perhaps a factor which will make them change their mind.
People will also slowly become more and more desperate and prepared to pay for the vaccine as time goes on. We are already seeing how some peopel are using their contacts and positions to get to the top of the public vaccination lists.
A cynic may even think that the authorties who are being very slow to vaccinate are doing it as a leverage to pressure the government to allow the private sector to get in on the business... there's a lot of money to be made out of this, just like the private PCR tests (18€ cost, 120€ provate sales price....). Thankfully I'm not that cynical... :rolleyes:
 

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Understand your thinking but I very much doubt Sanchez/ Inglesias will in anyway accept allowing certain sectors to have easier access to vaccinations than others. One reason is that enchufes are going to be a huge problem soon and that is going to be a big embarrassment. Already we have seen it in Madrid where in one care home they vaccinated staff, their families, acquaintances, the priest etc. Animal Farm is still alive and well!°
 

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Understand your thinking but I very much doubt Sanchez/ Inglesias will in anyway accept allowing certain sectors to have easier access to vaccinations than others. One reason is that enchufes are going to be a huge problem soon and that is going to be a big embarrassment. Already we have seen it in Madrid where in one care home they vaccinated staff, their families, acquaintances, the priest etc. Animal Farm is still alive and well!°
Sure, there are already many cases of people jumping the queue, but I personally would rather that they paid a private supplier than get a free one from the government by illicit means.
I am prepared to bet that as soon as the free jab has been issued to the pensioners and high risk members of the population, the "business" will be opened up to the competition and we will either be waiting until December, or longer, for the free one or paying 250€, or more, to get it before the summer....
 

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But Sanchez has already said that they intend to have everyone offered a vaccination by end of summer. Besides where will the private businesses acquire the vaccination? Cant see producers selling it to them when they have already signed up to produce billions for countries and the government wont sell their reserves ( if they have any)
 

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Sadly the roll-out of the vaccine is not in Sanchez' hands. Health care depends on the CAs and unless he decrees a state of emergency he can't centralise that. Sadly for us Madrileños, we cannot escape from Ayuso's control.....
And do you really think that Pfizer (or any other private Pharamco) woud refuse to sell to a private healthcar provider?
 

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Sadly the roll-out of the vaccine is not in Sanchez' hands. Health care depends on the CAs and unless he decrees a state of emergency he can't centralise that. Sadly for us Madrileños, we cannot escape from Ayuso's control.....
And do you really think that Pfizer (or any other private Pharamco) woud refuse to sell to a private healthcar provider?
But wasn't last year's flu vaccine unavailable in the private sector? I saw lots of complaints on various sites from people who had been unable to buy it at their local pharmacy, apparently because all doses had been bought by the public sector.

I do, however, remember seeing a press report a few days ago saying that Spain may make the Covid19 vaccine available to the private sector later in the year IF they have a surplus of doses. That seems unlikely at the moment especially after the unwelcome news last week that Pfizer will be cutting the number of doses to be delivered to several countries (Spain included) over the next few weeks as they are retooling their factory in Belgium to allow the number of doses they can produce there to be increased from March onwards.

Progress does seem very slow at the moment. However, they seem (in Andalucia at least) to have stuck to their promise to vaccinate care home residents and staff (plus front line health workers) first, and this week are starting to administer their second doses. As I understand it Sanidad has also dismissed the idea of leaving a gap of 12 weeks between the two jabs, as is being done in some countries, which will inevitably mean fewer people getting the first jab by a given date. But personally as the vaccine manufacturers (both Pfizer and Astra Zeneca) have said they have no evidence to prove that the vaccine is effective if doses are administered so far apart, I think that decision is the right one.
 

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Sadly the roll-out of the vaccine is not in Sanchez' hands. Health care depends on the CAs and unless he decrees a state of emergency he can't centralise that. Sadly for us Madrileños, we cannot escape from Ayuso's control.....
And do you really think that Pfizer (or any other private Pharamco) woud refuse to sell to a private healthcar provider?
I very much doubt that individual orders from private healthcare companies would be in anyway attractive to the producers given they are making millions from existing orders from actual governments
 

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One thing to remember is that the UK is only giving one dose of the vaccine which of course allows the government to boast of having inoculated larger numbers in a short time. Spain has lower numbers because it has to organise a system to deliver it twice. The question is what will happen in UK if they find that by March the first set of extremely vulnerable persons start to lose immunity?. Britain could then actually find themselves in a horrific situation! The Tories are taking a huge gamble.
 

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My understanding is that Spain currently has, or is receiving, more doses than it can administer, i.e. the bottleneck is is in the health authorities, not the supply chain.

This plays nicely into the hands of those who might argue that diverting some of that supply to the private sector could "help to aleviate" that bottle neck (and of course line afew pockets in the process).

But yes, maybe I am too cycnical and maybe Sanchez will insist that everybody has the vaccine through the SS, but the Madrdi elite who can and would pay privately may start making a big noise about that when they realise that this year's trip to the beach is in danger.
 

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One thing to remember is that the UK is only giving one dose of the vaccine which of course allows the government to boast of having inoculated larger numbers in a short time. Spain has lower numbers because it has to organise a system to deliver it twice. The question is what will happen in UK if they find that by March the first set of extremely vulnerable persons start to lose immunity?. Britain could then actually find themselves in a horrific situation! The Tories are taking a huge gamble.
Until now most of the over80s in my area of West Sussex have been given both doses. Neighbour had first in December and second dose Jan 6th. Two weeks ago local health centres began vaccinating 75 yrs and over, they have been given appointments for second dose but it is longer than 3 weeks.
I am undecided about the delay in second dose. I suppose I would be happy to just get one initially on the basis anything is better than nothing and I have a date for the second one.
 
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