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I think we are all agreed that Egypt has to try and bring back tourist spending power and I for one agree that everything that can be done should be done but of course Egyptians have to pull out the stops and realise they are competing with the rest of the world and offer tourists good value for money and what I saw last night will not do it.

I don't know if you have ever been to the family centre in Maadi.. it is opposite the Japanese embassy. The place is very run down most of the shops are closed and what are open are cheap tacky shops. I have never eaten in the few restaurants that are open simply because they do not look clean. Last night I was waiting outside the picture house when 3 coaches of Japanese tourists were brought along to this place and they duly all went into the centre..immediately more than half came back and went and sat on the coach.. I wasn't around to see when the others returned.
Now as a tourist we all like to have an experience that we wont forget but to be taken along to a run down mall is not what we are thinking about.
There are many great restaurants in Cairo that these tourists could have been taken to.. but they were taken along to somewhere that the tour guides must have been getting a great percentage from.
 

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Nothing unusual with that MS. many tour reps around the world would recommend places that you and I wouldn't even dream of looking at. The bottom line is always commission in these situations. I guess in this instance whoever organised that coach trip would think Japanese tourists are 'easy meat'
 

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Nothing unusual with that MS. many tour reps around the world would recommend places that you and I wouldn't even dream of looking at. The bottom line is always commission in these situations. I guess in this instance whoever organised that coach trip would think Japanese tourists are 'easy meat'


I am well aware there is nothing unusual in it... but that is my point! when you are trying to get tourists back and word of mouth is the best advert why take people to these dumps., people here do not think of tomorrows dollar it is only what they can get off you today.
 

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dont take them to the Giza pyramids...friends of ours visited last week and went...because there are so few tourists the guys over there started physically hitting each other for the custom of our friends. They had their little 3 year old daughter with them. They got out of there as fast as they could...these guys just dont learn anything...they are going to lose all the customers eventually with this behaviour as the news spreads.:eek:
 

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dont take them to the Giza pyramids...friends of ours visited last week and went...because there are so few tourists the guys over there started physically hitting each other for the custom of our friends. They had their little 3 year old daughter with them. They got out of there as fast as they could...these guys just dont learn anything...they are going to lose all the customers eventually with this behaviour as the news spreads.:eek:


Exactly..

I blame the fact that most western tourist come to Cairo once.. the see the pyramids, museum and then go down to the red sea.. and the people who work in the tourist industry know that they will be no repeat business so grab everything you can:(
I worked in the hotel industry for years so I am not a novice in knowing what tourists are expecting.. top of the list after a clean bed is service.
 

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It's a shame it's like this really even if they know the people tend to just go to the historic sites once they seam to forget the best advertisment is word of mouth.. even in this age of internet etc.

And you know as for those Japanese tourists wether the resturant was good or not the last place I myself would want to eat if I am on holiday is opposite my own Embassy! In Cairo alone so many unique nice places to eat. I use to enjoy going to some resturants by the nile or even on the nile, it was part of the experience of visiting Cairo!

Use to wonder of simular things in Alex's. You can dive down to see the site of the old Lighthouse but I never once attempted it due to the filth in the sea there.. mind boggled into who could actually see! (Maybe they go down just to have a feel!)

Ironic of this thread today Maiden.. I not long got in from town and on the side of one of the bus was a big advert for Egypt think it was offering a inclusive holiday to Sharm. So there we go advertisment on the London buses!
 

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I hope you're being sarcastic.
No, I'm not. Why else wouldn't they put some effort into trying to revive tourism?

Tourism isn't just a couple of weeks to see some camels and pyramids, and maybe some deep sea diving in the resorts. It also includes all of those Gulfies that used come over winter break and summer vacations, rent flats, stay in hotels, feed and shop for their families, and generally spent 1/4 of the year here. Those folks have found elsewhere to go.

It's one thing to drive off the nekkid people, but when they've put off their neighbors, with not a glimmer of an intention to lure them back, Egypt must not want guests.
 

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This short sighted view of how to treat tourists unfortunately is nothing new although understandably worse since the revolution (since there is more workers fighting for less tourists). When back in Sharm 5 or six years ago we knew a lot of people in the diving industry and even then there was a distinct view of "get all you can from the tourist while he's here" and no thought about repeat visitors. Quality of service is usually non existent and the companies and workers are just thinking about the money they can grab now and not giving good service to encourage people to visit again. The amount of people I've spoken to who said that they will not come back to Egypt and particularly Sharm because of the service or harassment is astounding. For those who do come back, they are preferring to stay on hotel complexes with all inclusive deals where they don't have to venture out to buy anything, more lost revenue for the local workers. I don't know how tourism will be in Egypt in the near future but it's not looking too good at the moment.
 

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This short sighted view of how to treat tourists unfortunately is nothing new although understandably worse since the revolution (since there is more workers fighting for less tourists). When back in Sharm 5 or six years ago we knew a lot of people in the diving industry and even then there was a distinct view of "get all you can from the tourist while he's here" and no thought about repeat visitors. Quality of service is usually non existent and the companies and workers are just thinking about the money they can grab now and not giving good service to encourage people to visit again. The amount of people I've spoken to who said that they will not come back to Egypt and particularly Sharm because of the service or harassment is astounding. For those who do come back, they are preferring to stay on hotel complexes with all inclusive deals where they don't have to venture out to buy anything, more lost revenue for the local workers. I don't know how tourism will be in Egypt in the near future but it's not looking too good at the moment.
TO be honest I am goint to Sharm and I intend not to leave the resort at all. Previous years I wondered into town and the market only to be annoyed by the amound of harrassing that goes on by shopkeepers and moneygrabbers.
Puts everyone off, including those amongs us that are quite used to travel in egypt.
 

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TO be honest I am goint to Sharm and I intend not to leave the resort at all. Previous years I wondered into town and the market only to be annoyed by the amound of harrassing that goes on by shopkeepers and moneygrabbers.
Puts everyone off, including those amongs us that are quite used to travel in egypt.
Tourism sector in Egypt is digging its own grave.
 

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Sharm has a new police chief who apparently met with business owners of Naama Bay to do something about the hassling. I don't see much of a difference now to be honest. I don't think people realise how annoying hassling is for tourists.

I am used to it now, I just blank them completely.
 
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I recently cycled from Cairo to Aswan. Being on a bike, I spent a fair bit of time interacting with locals, both in the city and in villages. I didn't spend a lot of time in Cairo, but our official start was at the Giza pyramids. Overall, we (there were 44 of us) were hassled far less than I expected. In Luxor, however, when we were on foot, we were hassled relentlessly by the horse & buggy drivers who would follow us for blocks trying to get us to spend 10 pounds for a ride. In the market it was the same thing - the vendors would follow us constantly shouting at us to buy something. When we refused, we were shouted at. Same with the market.

We camped most of the time, but in Luxor some of us opted to stay in a "hotel" room on the same land as the campsite. The manager made no secret of the fact that he was trying to rip us off for everything, e.g. the price of the room, the meals, lack of service, etc. The rooms were filthy with mould on the shower curtains, the sheets were dirty, etc. He told us that there had been no tourists at his hotel for 11 months! It could have been a nice enough place if it were cleaned, but he didn't see the point in spending the money. Then he had the nerve to ask if we would write a good review in Trip Advisor!

In Aswan, the horse & buggy drivers were still aggressive, but the vendors in the market were much less so than in Luxor. When told no, they would usually leave us alone (after a little bit), and when bargaining for goods we were able to reach fair prices (or what seemed like fair) in reasonably short order.

Worst of all, though, is that when cycling through villages, or on roads just outside villages, we were constantly pelted by rocks and/or whipped by sugar cane. Once a tuk tuk driver tried to force some of us off the road. Luckily we had a police escort who showed up after about 15 minutes and they held the driver back so we could continue.

this is not a judgment or a criticism of Egypt - it's just my observations. There are many good things about Egypt, and I"m certainly glad of the opportunity to visit, however, these are the types of incidents that will turn tourists off. The reality is that many people use Trip Advisor and the like to get opinions on places to travel to. I have not submitted anything, but other people will, and when the world reads about incidents like this, it isn't going to help the tourist industry. It's a shame because Egypt is a great place to cycle, and having more cyclists will mean more money spent

I don't know what the solution is, but the internet is a very powerful media so using it to their advantage, IMO, will to a certain extent make or break the tourist industry in Egypt

I feel sad for people in that industry in Egypt. We were told by an Egyptian cyclist who rode with us that more than 20 million people in Egypt are employed either directly or indirectly by tourism, and that prior to the revolution Egypt was the #1 tourist destination in the world. I really hope that things turn around for the Egyptian people
 
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