[MaidenScotland]

Okay thats enough photos... unless you want to put a couple of nice ones in

 

[Horus]

I am sure there are lovely places as well but I understand why you took the photos, doesn't really matter how nice other bits are people will always remember coming across a dead dog, pools of sewage, hassle etc.
When I was in the restaurant trade we always served great complimentary coffee after a meal no cheap stuff or second best but the very best we could brew so that customers left our place with a great memory. Too many places offer great dishes then let themselves down by skimping on the finishing touches, coffee, napery etc and sadly this is what Egypt does all too well and they let the country, the people and more importantly the tourist who are coming to spend money down.

The food at those restaurants CANNOT be faulted.

Nabq Bay has a amazing sandy beach and some secluded areas and is very quiet i do like it here as it has it's own charm.

What I won't have is to be threatened that is totally pathetic and I am not an idiot I can read between the lines. I quickly learned here in Nabq that people don't like anyone outspoken and form little cliques, quite pathetic as when they are in the pub they all ***** about each behind there backs and are nice to the face.

What is quite silly is that people make out that something is grand when it is not - purely because they have vested interest to sell a property here and promote the area.

The fact is there is not much of an infrastructure here, if you are bringing a family or have teens be prepared to travel to Naama or Sharks Bay or simply reside at the complex and do nothing but relax and snorkle.

Nabq Bay used to be quite clean and you could not see rubbish, what has happened is anyone's idea.

No internet now here for 8 days, it's like we are the forgotten resort - and I have had to upgrade for £60 to a high speed 20mb dongle to chug along at 3mb.

If you have a business here it's quite erratic, I am just so glad I never bought property here and advise anyone before they do - look around very carefully

Issues with cash points, no western union, banks that open when they want, cash points that don't work, empty shops and the remaining shop keepers HASSLE you like there is no end, even the greenery here is getting neglected

Fact is the streets are empty in Nabq on the day and on the night

 

[MaidenScotland]

I actually wasn't talking about food I was using it as an example...

 

[hurghadapat]

The food at those restaurants CANNOT be faulted.

Nabq Bay has a amazing sandy beach and some secluded areas and is very quiet i do like it here as it has it's own charm.

What I won't have is to be threatened that is totally pathetic and I am not an idiot I can read between the lines. I quickly learned here in Nabq that people don't like anyone outspoken and form little cliques, quite pathetic as when they are in the pub they all ***** about each behind there backs and are nice to the face.

What is quite silly is that people make out that something is grand when it is not - purely because they have vested interest to sell a property here and promote the area.

The fact is there is not much of an infrastructure here, if you are bringing a family or have teens be prepared to travel to Naama or Sharks Bay or simply reside at the complex and do nothing but relax and snorkle.

Nabq Bay used to be quite clean and you could not see rubbish, what has happened is anyone's idea.

No internet now here for 8 days, it's like we are the forgotten resort - and I have had to upgrade for £60 to a high speed 20mb dongle to chug along at 3mb.

If you have a business here it's quite erratic, I am just so glad I never bought property here and advise anyone before they do - look around very carefully

Issues with cash points, no western union, banks that open when they want, cash points that don't work, empty shops and the remaining shop keepers HASSLE you like there is no end, even the greenery here is getting neglected

Fact is the streets are empty in Nabq on the day and on the night

Unfortunately Horus this is Egypt.....no matter where you go you will always find the same sort of thing,but you have chosen to live in a place that was purpose built for tourists so of course all the shops will sell are tourist tat....Sharm has become the new Benidorm and it does tend to attract the lower end of the tourist market because they sell the holidays so cheap.....as for expats calling each other nothing new in that and you will find that happens all over the world.When you live abroad you tend to make friends with people just because they speak your language or come from the same country but a lot of the time you wouldn't give a lot of these people the time of day if you met them in your own country...fareweather friends i think they are calledI don't really think you really had a good look at Egypt before you came to live here despite what you say about knowing it well....a whole world of difference from being a tourist to becoming a resident as i am sure you are now finding out.

 

[topcat83]

I was so sad to see the photos of Nabq bay. We've never lived in Egypt, but, as scuba divers, have been regular visitors to Naama Bay (and other Red Sea resorts) since 1995. In that time we have seen the area change out of all recognition, from a lovely friendly hub at Na'ama Bay to a sprawl of hotels along the cliff-top all the way to the north-west. And it's not just above the ground that things have changed for the worse. We've seen the coral deteriorate immensely. No wonder there are more shark problems than there were - they haven't got so much of their natural food source left.

The last time we visited was three years ago, when my son was working there. We reluctantly decided that it would be the last time, as we wanted to keep our memories of what it was like when we first visited.

 

[marenostrum]

I was so sad to see the photos of Nabq bay. We've never lived in Egypt, but, as scuba divers, have been regular visitors to Naama Bay (and other Red Sea resorts) since 1995. In that time we have seen the area change out of all recognition, from a lovely friendly hub at Na'ama Bay to a sprawl of hotels along the cliff-top all the way to the north-west. And it's not just above the ground that things have changed for the worse. We've seen the coral deteriorate immensely. No wonder there are more shark problems than there were - they haven't got so much of their natural food source left.

The last time we visited was three years ago, when my son was working there. We reluctantly decided that it would be the last time, as we wanted to keep our memories of what it was like when we first visited.

Well at least Horus has brought some FACTS to the discussion and not a lot of hot air or hidden threats.

As far as the pics go some of them look like the green zone in Baghdad.

I don't think Egypt offers particularly cheap holidays imho. I would rather holiday in the far east, ok granted the flight will cost me 700 quid instead of 250 but I will get better hotels and service for less money without being offered drugs or women. These people don't understand that there are westerners that go on holiday without seeking such things.

I dread to think what is left of the coral reef there as well.....

 

[MaidenScotland]

Well at least Horus has brought some FACTS to the discussion and not a lot of hot air or hidden threats.

As far as the pics go some of them look like the green zone in Baghdad.

I don't think Egypt offers particularly cheap holidays imho. I would rather holiday in the far east, ok granted the flight will cost me 700 quid instead of 250 but I will get better hotels and service for less money without being offered drugs or women. These people don't understand that there are westerners that go on holiday without seeking such things.

I dread to think what is left of the coral reef there as well.....

ahhh well I know that a ship was holed on Thursday, scraped itself along the reef and I imagine that has not done the reef alot of good.

 

[marenostrum]

ahhh well I know that a ship was holed on Thursday, scraped itself along the reef and I imagine that has not done the reef alot of good.

Well the positive is that there is still a reef left

 

[aykalam]

@Horus, just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to upload all those photos.

I was in Nabq Bay last weekend and that is exactly what I saw, but going to Naama Bay on the Friday evening I was soooo disappointed as my memories of the place were a lot nicer than the run down state of affairs I witnessed.

It is very sad but very true. Many of the hotels there promise a level of service that they can't deliver so at a time when Egypt really needs the income more than ever they are shooting themselves on the foot with such low standards.

Again, sad but true.

 

[marenostrum]

@Horus, just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to upload all those photos.

I was in Nabq Bay last weekend and that is exactly what I saw, but going to Naama Bay on the Friday evening I was soooo disappointed as my memories of the place were a lot nicer than the run down state of affairs I witnessed.

It is very sad but very true. Many of the hotels there promise a level of service that they can't deliver so at a time when Egypt really needs the income more than ever they are shooting themselves on the foot with such low standards.

Again, sad but true.

It is a shame to witness how they have reduced the Red Sea in the short space of 15 years.

I knew then they would make a hash of it and there we go.

Now they are doing the same with marsa alam, loads of construction sites, millions of plastic bottles scattered on the deserted beaches and all sorts of rubble being dumped into the sea whilst the building work goes on.

 

[Horus]

@Horus, just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to upload all those photos.

I was in Nabq Bay last weekend and that is exactly what I saw, but going to Naama Bay on the Friday evening I was soooo disappointed as my memories of the place were a lot nicer than the run down state of affairs I witnessed.

It is very sad but very true. Many of the hotels there promise a level of service that they can't deliver so at a time when Egypt really needs the income more than ever they are shooting themselves on the foot with such low standards.

Again, sad but true.

It gave me little choice, there are people here who place the head in the sand and only have a vested interest in promoting what people like to hear and see then utter implied threats to try and silence me. Nice try

Sadly the government is also to blame by doing features such as building a waterfall into the side of a mountain with 2 ships sticking out of it, an utter disgrace and waste of money.

The main concern here is the environment and the reef if Nabq does not pull itself together it will crumble, there seems to be no focus and no pride left and it has changed in the last 3 months i think the revolution has had a very bad effect.

'People's solution seems to simply be "come to Nabq" and there is more concern that the warts are exposed rather than doing something about it

 

[MaidenScotland]

What I also find odd is that we have been told that there are still thugs for hire in the area and in knowing this I presume these thugs are getting "jobs" Why would anyone encourage people to come to a town/country that still has these thugs.
Personally I would not advise anyone to come here on holiday nor would I encourage anyone to buy property.

 

[aykalam]

Sadly the government is also to blame by doing features such as building a waterfall into the side of a mountain with 2 ships sticking out of it, an utter disgrace and waste of money.

lol have you got any photos of the little pharaoh surfing on top of a dolphin, whole thingy covered in glittery paint? can't remember where I saw that but it would really make my day

 

[aykalam]

What I also find odd is that we have been told that there are still thugs for hire in the area and in knowing this I presume these thugs are getting "jobs" Why would anyone encourage people to come to a town/country that still has these thugs.
Personally I would not advise anyone to come here on holiday nor would I encourage anyone to buy property.

Forget about paid thugs,how about getting verbally abused by hotel staff?

 

[marenostrum]

What I also find odd is that we have been told that there are still thugs for hire in the area and in knowing this I presume these thugs are getting "jobs" Why would anyone encourage people to come to a town/country that still has these thugs.
Personally I would not advise anyone to come here on holiday nor would I encourage anyone to buy property.

A lot of people would sell their own mother for a few ££.
Developers are no exception.

 

[marenostrum]

Forget about paid thugs,how about getting verbally abused by hotel staff?

Did this happen to you?

 

[MaidenScotland]

Forget about paid thugs,how about getting verbally abused by hotel staff?

There is a difference between verbal abuse and physical, in saying that these thugs are still around plus saboteurs is saying that the place is unstable and that alone should be enough for tourists to be warned off in coming to Egypt.

 

[aykalam]

Did this happen to you?

It happened last weekend to someone in my group. Chef started using abusive language (in Arabic) towards one of the guys. Not impressed.

 

[marenostrum]

It happened last weekend to someone in my group. Chef started using abusive language (in Arabic) towards one of the guys. Not impressed.

Not good, they think people don't understand why they are on about.

When challenged they are the biggest sissies ever, same goes with the taxi drivers.

 

[aykalam]

There is a difference between verbal abuse and physical, in saying that these thugs are still around plus saboteurs is saying that the place is unstable and that alone should be enough for tourists to be warned off in coming to Egypt.

I understand the difference, I also understand that as a paying customer in a 5 star hotel you would not expect that kind of treatment.