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Ok, time for a new salaries/packages thread.

This is a continuation of this thread so make sure your check it out too: http://www.expatforum.com/expats/dubai-expat-forum-expats-living-dubai/74339-salary-offer-package-questions-post-yours-here.html

Did you get a job offer but you are not sure if it's good enough? Post the details here and let the forum members give their opinions and advice. Usually there will be someone who is/has been/knows of someone who has been in a similar position to yours and can comment if the offer you just received is poor, average, good or above the standard.

Of course only you know your personal circumstances/standard of living/expectations, etc. but some third party perspective always helps.
 

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Vantage, Thank you for the reply. I am a chemical engineer with refining/ petrochemical background. I am currently in leadership role. The offer is from similar type of industry in UAE.

The monthly pay of AED 50,000 is more than what I make here, however, my wife also works. So...the gross of AED 50,000 per month is less than the gross we make here in US. The bright side is, if we can manage with this income then my wife doesn't have to work if I decide to move to UAE.
Take some time to understand what your tax liabilities will be and how you can minimize those while here. When you add in housing exclusion the limit can go well past the 95K FEI exclusion. Also things you do back home, keep/sell house (I take a loss on renting mine, which still benefits me long term).

There is no more 401K matching, so you need to account for that if you are currently receiving it. Finally, depending on how much your tax liability is you may not be able to contribute to an IRA, so no money into your Roth while here.

On 50K/month you can certainly afford to have the wife not work and even afford a housekeeper to help out so she can focus on the kids. Just be sure that you are sending enough back to the states to make the time here worth while
 

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Take some time to understand what your tax liabilities will be and how you can minimize those while here. When you add in housing exclusion the limit can go well past the 95K FEI exclusion. Also things you do back home, keep/sell house (I take a loss on renting mine, which still benefits me long term).

There is no more 401K matching, so you need to account for that if you are currently receiving it. Finally, depending on how much your tax liability is you may not be able to contribute to an IRA, so no money into your Roth while here.

On 50K/month you can certainly afford to have the wife not work and even afford a housekeeper to help out so she can focus on the kids. Just be sure that you are sending enough back to the states to make the time here worth while
Thank you for quick reply. I approached my tax guy and he is not an expert in expat taxes. Is there a tax firm in US or UAE whom you may have used can help with understanding the tax implications/exemptions? Yeah....I have a townhome and if we decide to move then we plan on renting it out. Once again...thanks for your help.
 

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Thank you for quick reply. I approached my tax guy and he is not an expert in expat taxes. Is there a tax firm in US or UAE whom you may have used can help with understanding the tax implications/exemptions? Yeah....I have a townhome and if we decide to move then we plan on renting it out. Once again...thanks for your help.
There is someone that advertises in the Classified section (link towards top of page). I have never used their services, though. I did the research myself, and I did miss the thing about Roth contributions which caused some headaches my first year. Had to have the money taken out of my account, bunch of forms with my broker to deal with.

One thing I did when I was researching was to use my tax software and go through a bunch of scenarios to try and get an understanding of as much as I could.
 

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Hello guys . I am totally new here. I got and offer from Cavalli Club Dubai ( Fairmont Hotel ) , to work there as a barback in a club, 8 or 9 hours working a day, 6 days off a month, visa, accommodation and flight payed, with 2500 AED salary and he told me that i will have around 1 or 2 thousands AED of tips. Also he told me that i will move after 3 months of probation work to the position of bartender or waiter. Is that good offer ? And i am also planing to come with my girlfriend, same club, she will be food runner. She have not got yet an offer.

I am hoping in a soon answer.
 

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Moving to Dubai October 2013 - Salary package

Dear Friends,

I've received a job offer to move to Dubai and I really want to know if I can have a good life and take care of my family with the conditions that were offered. I would really appreciate your help and experience.

My job offer include:

Base salary: 185000 AED per year
Accomodation Allowance: 33000 per year
Car Allowance: 18000 AED per year
Health Insurance: Around 4000 AED per year
Flyback to my home country (Europe): maximum of 12000 AED per year - paid at occurrence

With a monthly income of: 15416 + 2750 + 1500 = 19600 AED, can I have a good life (save some money) and raise my family? I have one wife (at the beginning she won't be working, just taking care of my kid), 1 kid (1 year old) and 2 cats.

I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you very much.

Kind regards.

NM
 

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Dear Friends,

I've received a job offer to move to Dubai and I really want to know if I can have a good life and take care of my family with the conditions that were offered. I would really appreciate your help and experience.

My job offer include:

Base salary: 185000 AED per year
Accomodation Allowance: 33000 per year
Car Allowance: 18000 AED per year
Health Insurance: Around 4000 AED per year
Flyback to my home country (Europe): maximum of 12000 AED per year - paid at occurrence

With a monthly income of: 15416 + 2750 + 1500 = 19600 AED, can I have a good life (save some money) and raise my family? I have one wife (at the beginning she won't be working, just taking care of my kid), 1 kid (1 year old) and 2 cats.

I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you very much.

Kind regards.

NM
Hey mate, I don’t know what you’re making back home or anything about your lifestyle or what type of work you do, but I’m going to be brutally honest here and say that it’s a very low offer for a family man. The base is not so terrible but you will need 3x the accommodation allowance just to rent something decent.
 

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Dear Friends,

I've received a job offer to move to Dubai and I really want to know if I can have a good life and take care of my family with the conditions that were offered. I would really appreciate your help and experience.

My job offer include:

Base salary: 185000 AED per year
Accomodation Allowance: 33000 per year
Car Allowance: 18000 AED per year
Health Insurance: Around 4000 AED per year
Flyback to my home country (Europe): maximum of 12000 AED per year - paid at occurrence

With a monthly income of: 15416 + 2750 + 1500 = 19600 AED, can I have a good life (save some money) and raise my family? I have one wife (at the beginning she won't be working, just taking care of my kid), 1 kid (1 year old) and 2 cats.

I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you very much.

Kind regards.

NM
It's a very tight budget with just one wife. I hope you're not planning to get yourself more wives.:rolleyes:
 

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Dear Friends,

I've received a job offer to move to Dubai and I really want to know if I can have a good life and take care of my family with the conditions that were offered. I would really appreciate your help and experience.

My job offer include:

Base salary: 185000 AED per year
Accomodation Allowance: 33000 per year
Car Allowance: 18000 AED per year
Health Insurance: Around 4000 AED per year
Flyback to my home country (Europe): maximum of 12000 AED per year - paid at occurrence

With a monthly income of: 15416 + 2750 + 1500 = 19600 AED, can I have a good life (save some money) and raise my family? I have one wife (at the beginning she won't be working, just taking care of my kid), 1 kid (1 year old) and 2 cats.

I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you very much.

Kind regards.

NM
I agree with Zed, you may be able to rent a studio or small 1 bedroom but you won't save lots. Is your wife panning on working? Also keep in mind that nursery and school fees are hideously expensive, and once your son is school aged this will make things very difficult unless your employer has agreed on paying for this later on.

Also you don't say what kind of job is this so is impossible to tell you if is a fair offer or not.
 

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Hello guys . I am totally new here. I got and offer from Cavalli Club Dubai ( Fairmont Hotel ) , to work there as a barback in a club, 8 or 9 hours working a day, 6 days off a month, visa, accommodation and flight payed, with 2500 AED salary and he told me that i will have around 1 or 2 thousands AED of tips. Also he told me that i will move after 3 months of probation work to the position of bartender or waiter. Is that good offer ? And i am also planing to come with my girlfriend, same club, she will be food runner. She have not got yet an offer.

I am hoping in a soon answer.
That's pretty low but then again I'm not sure bar staff be paid lots here.
 

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I agree with Zed, you may be able to rent a studio or small 1 bedroom but you won't save lots. Is your wife panning on working? Also keep in mind that nursery and school fees are hideously expensive, and once your son is school aged this will make things very difficult unless your employer has agreed on paying for this later on.

Also you don't say what kind of job is this so is impossible to tell you if is a fair offer or not.
Thank you all for your clarifications.

I'm an IT consultant over 6 years of experience. Is this a fair offer?

At the beginning my wife isn't planning to work.

Thank you once again.

NM
 

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Thanks a lot.

Well what are my chances of becomeing a bartender?

They have told me that after probation work they will put me behind the bar?

Cheers
How can we answer that?
 
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Thank you all for your clarifications.

I'm an IT consultant over 6 years of experience. Is this a fair offer?

At the beginning my wife isn't planning to work.

Thank you once again.

NM
No mate, that’s a very bad package for a family. If your wife finds a job on similar wage then you’ll do ok. As a single income 18k a month isn’t enough for a family. Full stop.
 

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Howdy All,

Quite a long story here but I'll keep it brief and stick to the details.

I've been offered a Job in Dubai as Director Of Operations for a new startup in the Fast / Prepared food and Coffee Industry.

I originally approached in December last year, with the view of starting in April. However, the project was delayed due to failing to obtain business permits and then Ramadan and the relentless heat slowed things down even more. We're now set to start at the start of October.

The ball is now well and truly rolling in Dubai and I've had a few Skype meetings with various parties and investors and it really is just around the corner now.

My frustration at this point is that I have nothing on Paper. I've had loads of conversations that have confirmed my Salary and Bonus structure and things like that but at this point nothing on paper at all. My main concern is the housing arrangements - as with the 4 cheques / 1 cheque thing. I dont have 3 months rent lying around. This has not been covered yet and makes me nervous to start arranging everything on this side of the water.

Of course, its very difficult for me to start taking steps towards such a large scale move and relocation within the next 8 weeks or so with nothing tangible in my hand. I have asked for a written offer and confirmation of my package a few times but have just been passed around. Its a huge frustration as the company is owned by 9 investors - all of whom have equal power, so there is no real leader or guy at the top.

I sent a fairly assertive email last week stating that I really need to see my formal offer - but its all quiet so far and no reply.

Is this normal in the Dubai job market? I would have really expected to receive this by now and am walking the fine line of being assertive - and being a pain in the ass.
 

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Is this normal in the Dubai job market? I would have really expected to receive this by now and am walking the fine line of being assertive - and being a pain in the ass.
Unfortunately it is pretty common out here. Possible reasons could be:

1. They are just slacking. Happens far too often in practically every aspect of life here.

2. You mentioned 9 different investors, with no clear leadership role defined. The saying 'Too many cooks ...' comes to mind. It is entirely possible that the issue of your employment is still being / yet to be finalized among them all. In my current role, I deal with this situation (multiple partners across business entities, all having pretty much equal say. Rest assured, I know how much of a pain it is to get even the simplest things implemented/approved)

3. They might not be interested any longer. Probably not what you wanted to hear, but entirely possible.

Don't shy away from being assertive or even a pain in the a$$, it's not like you are planning for an expense paid vacation. If you don't hear anything from them in the near-term, might be best to not make any decisions back home (quit your current job etc..) and shelve this idea for a while ....
 

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Thanks for your reply. Its nice to hear that someone else has been there and shares my frustration.

It pretty much echoes what I've been thinking. Just last week i received confirmation that I'll start at the beginning of October (again - far too vague, I need a date) and the company will launch in November. So I'd like to think that if they were no longer interested - they would have made this clear then.

The whole of this year has been geared around the move and relocation, so with it potentially around the corner now and being an organisational freak I'm pretty much pulling my hair out! 7 Weeks may seem like a long time for them - but to up sticks and say goodbye to everyone and everything I love is not long at all. Especially as my wife and I both have jobs out here. Even more so that I'm a consultant and take contracts as they come. When do I stop taking contracts??? Aaaaaauuuggghh!

I'll chase up with another email this afternoon and hope for the best.
 

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Thanks for your reply. Its nice to hear that someone else has been there and shares my frustration.

It pretty much echoes what I've been thinking. Just last week i received confirmation that I'll start at the beginning of October (again - far too vague, I need a date) and the company will launch in November. So I'd like to think that if they were no longer interested - they would have made this clear then.

The whole of this year has been geared around the move and relocation, so with it potentially around the corner now and being an organisational freak I'm pretty much pulling my hair out! 7 Weeks may seem like a long time for them - but to up sticks and say goodbye to everyone and everything I love is not long at all. Especially as my wife and I both have jobs out here. Even more so that I'm a consultant and take contracts as they come. When do I stop taking contracts??? Aaaaaauuuggghh!

I'll chase up with another email this afternoon and hope for the best.
Something else to keep in mind before you make your final decision and actually pick your entire life and move. What you see now is likely how things will operate with the company once you get here. So before making this big move, ask yourself are you willing to put up with a company that is run like this? If they are a start up, how likely is it that they will be successful? Do you trust that they will actually pay you on time and in full?
 

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On a similar note if this is how they behave when them want you how will things be if it doesn't all go well and you have no contract?
 
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