[al9]

hi i am thinking of relocating to france (south west region) from the uk i will be renting a house for a few years..Have spoken to an owner of a property(who is english). I told him that my partner shows and breeds dogs and he was happy with that and said that i could use the stables to house them or make some wooden kennels. NOW i want the dog breeding to be done properly ie dont want to get caught out by french tax man etc, Has anybody on here started a small business like this from home since 2009. Just that i have heard horror stories of social charges etc amount to 50% of turnover, BUT my own research was that in 2009 the law changed to help new small businesses with turnover less than 80k euros for commercial venture and 32K euros for service venture, called auto entrepenaur.They charge only 13% for social charges and tax for commercial and 20+% for service sector. Now i am guessing the dog side would be commercial.What i want to know has anyone here done this since 2009 and am i correct regards the auto entrepenaur system and is there anything else i need to know. many thanks

 

[Bevdeforges]

Be careful, what they call "commercial" in the AE scheme refers to businesses which are based on the resale of merchandise. I'm not entirely sure what category your dog business would fall under. There are also a series of businesses that are subject to special regulation and which may not be eligible for the AE scheme.

You should check the AE portal (the official government site regarding the AE program) for details: Portail officiel des auto-entrepreneurs

If you don't qualify as an auto-entrepreneur, you will have to set up a business entity, where the social charges are based on your profit, not your turnover. That's where the social charges usually hit something between 40 and 50% (depending how you set up your social charges) - but of profit (with a minimum contribution for unprofitable years).
Cheers,
Bev

 

[al9]

hi thanks for that have just found out its under the MSA - Mutualité Société Agricole as it classed as farming so not valid for AE (auto entrepenauer), does anyone know if they still charge 50% of profit for social charges and tax. thanks

 

[Bevdeforges]

hi thanks for that have just found out its under the MSA - Mutualité Société Agricole as it classed as farming so not valid for AE (auto entrepenauer), does anyone know if they still charge 50% of profit for social charges and tax. thanks

You have to check the MSA site to see what forms of business are available to you. The MSA has its own terms and conditions for the social insurances (and frankly, the agricultural professions do have a somewhat privileged status here in France).

The MSA is responsible strictly for social charges. Check with them to find out their terms. Taxes are the responsibility of the fisc and there is not a fixed percentage - it depends on your level of profit, any other sources of income, etc. etc. (Not to mention the precise business structure you elect - whether to just report your profits as part of your personal tax declaration or to have the business taxed separately, with a deduction for the salary and benefits paid to you.)
Cheers,
Bev