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Have you ever seen a child cover his or her ears and start singing 'lalalalala' when they don't want to hear what you are telling them.

This I swear is what the bureaucrats would do here if it wasn't for the fact that we would video them and plaster it all over You Tube.

We recently received a letter stating that my husbands invalidity pension was to be taxed. Of course the moment we read this we went into dispute. Now some of you may be saying, well it should be taxed, that everyone should pay tax on an income. But hang on. This is not a private pension, this is not some secret stash of ill gotten gains, this is an invalidity for work pension due to severe disablement. The receipt of which by Spains own laws cannot be taxed.

The fact of which is plastered all over their statute books.

Ah, but, it only applies if they, the Spanish or in this case the Catalan government have declared you disabled.

Fact is the powers that be here are both unwilling and unable it seems to accept any other countries doctors findings, even when those findings are in black and white and are there for them to read. Instead the authorities here are demanding that my husband prove he is disabled and the way he has to do this is to subject himself to scrutiny by a panel of doctors who will then decide if he is disabled or not.

How bloody dare they!

My hubby has been through the shredder and back courtesy of his injuries which have left him....

Brain damaged,
Unable to taste or smell anything.
Memory retention and access problems,
Severely affected sense of balance.
Severe depression, mood swings, PTSD.
Lack of confidence.
Peripheral neuropathy.
Damaged hearing.
Severe breathing problems.
High risk of blood clots and cancer all courtesy of the gases he inhaled.

All of which has been catalogued by doctors who far exceed any of the doctors the Catalan health system can throw at it, but no, he has to jump through hoops and what's more do it in Catalan (a language he is incapable of learning courtesy of his disablement).

I swear to god not one of them would be able to cope one day in my husbands shoes.

Anyhow, I was wondering, have any of you guys ever had to go through this, or do you know of anyone?

Is there anyone I can call, write to, sit on the desk of, who can help us prove my husbands disablement and win this, because until it is proven the authorities here have said they will be taxing my husband and will take 4 years back tax from his income. They are talking many many thousands, not just a few hundred guys, the collection of which is usually done by freezing your account they have told us and the deduction of all money until the bill is paid. Is this right?

This is making my already sick husband very, very ill indeed and to be honest I am not too happy about it either.

Thanks.
 

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Have you ever seen a child cover his or her ears and start singing 'lalalalala' when they don't want to hear what you are telling them.

This I swear is what the bureaucrats would do here if it wasn't for the fact that we would video them and plaster it all over You Tube.

We recently received a letter stating that my husbands invalidity pension was to be taxed. Of course the moment we read this we went into dispute. Now some of you may be saying, well it should be taxed, that everyone should pay tax on an income. But hang on. This is not a private pension, this is not some secret stash of ill gotten gains, this is an invalidity for work pension due to severe disablement. The receipt of which by Spains own laws cannot be taxed.

The fact of which is plastered all over their statute books.

Ah, but, it only applies if they, the Spanish or in this case the Catalan government have declared you disabled.

Fact is the powers that be here are both unwilling and unable it seems to accept any other countries doctors findings, even when those findings are in black and white and are there for them to read. Instead the authorities here are demanding that my husband prove he is disabled and the way he has to do this is to subject himself to scrutiny by a panel of doctors who will then decide if he is disabled or not.

How bloody dare they!

My hubby has been through the shredder and back courtesy of his injuries which have left him....

Brain damaged,
Unable to taste or smell anything.
Memory retention and access problems,
Severely affected sense of balance.
Severe depression, mood swings, PTSD.
Lack of confidence.
Peripheral neuropathy.
Damaged hearing.
Severe breathing problems.
High risk of blood clots and cancer all courtesy of the gases he inhaled.

All of which has been catalogued by doctors who far exceed any of the doctors the Catalan health system can throw at it, but no, he has to jump through hoops and what's more do it in Catalan (a language he is incapable of learning courtesy of his disablement).

I swear to god not one of them would be able to cope one day in my husbands shoes.

Anyhow, I was wondering, have any of you guys ever had to go through this, or do you know of anyone?

Is there anyone I can call, write to, sit on the desk of, who can help us prove my husbands disablement and win this, because until it is proven the authorities here have said they will be taxing my husband and will take 4 years back tax from his income. They are talking many many thousands, not just a few hundred guys, the collection of which is usually done by freezing your account they have told us and the deduction of all money until the bill is paid. Is this right?

This is making my already sick husband very, very ill indeed and to be honest I am not too happy about it either.

Thanks.
Hi there,
I don't think it's such a big thing. Of course I say that not having to mobilise a disabled husband, but here you have to go to your usual social security doctor who has to refer you to a special doctor who will certify your degree of disability as a percentage. You need such and such for a disabled person's badge and a certain degree of disability for this and that pension or home help etc.
So, first thing is to contact your doctor or health centre to find out what's needed,
There's some info here
Reconocimiento del grado de discapacidad. Generalitat de Cataluña
 

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I went through something similar a couple of years ago when I wanted a disabled permit for parking.

I went to the social security office first who gave me forms to fill in. I then had to go to our GP who asked me lots of questions - not just medical ones but things like today's date - the name of the king etc to judge my mental ability. This seemed strange as I was applying because of my inability to walk due to arthritis not a mental condition.

I then waited for an appointment at a clinic in Alicante to be examined by a specialist doctor. I waited almost a year for this appointment. He did a brief examination and asked we to walk from one side of the office to another. I did this with difficulty and a lot of pain.

He said I would receive his verdict in a few weeks. About a month later I received a letter to say that I did not qualify for a disabled permit because I could walk. We appealed explaining that yes, I could walk but it was very painful. They stood by their decision so I did not get a parking permit.

I got the feeling that they thought I was after some monetary disabled benefit but I wasn't. All I wanted was to be able to park nearer the supermarket, shops etc.

In the UK I would have qualified but not here in Spain.

It may be different where you live but be prepared for it all to take a long time.
 

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Have you ever seen a child cover his or her ears and start singing 'lalalalala' when they don't want to hear what you are telling them.

This I swear is what the bureaucrats would do here if it wasn't for the fact that we would video them and plaster it all over You Tube.

We recently received a letter stating that my husbands invalidity pension was to be taxed. Of course the moment we read this we went into dispute. Now some of you may be saying, well it should be taxed, that everyone should pay tax on an income. But hang on. This is not a private pension, this is not some secret stash of ill gotten gains, this is an invalidity for work pension due to severe disablement. The receipt of which by Spains own laws cannot be taxed.

The fact of which is plastered all over their statute books.

Ah, but, it only applies if they, the Spanish or in this case the Catalan government have declared you disabled.


Fact is the powers that be here are both unwilling and unable it seems to accept any other countries doctors findings, even when those findings are in black and white and are there for them to read. Instead the authorities here are demanding that my husband prove he is disabled and the way he has to do this is to subject himself to scrutiny by a panel of doctors who will then decide if he is disabled or not.

How bloody dare they!

My hubby has been through the shredder and back courtesy of his injuries which have left him....

Brain damaged,
Unable to taste or smell anything.
Memory retention and access problems,
Severely affected sense of balance.
Severe depression, mood swings, PTSD.
Lack of confidence.
Peripheral neuropathy.
Damaged hearing.
Severe breathing problems.
High risk of blood clots and cancer all courtesy of the gases he inhaled.

All of which has been catalogued by doctors who far exceed any of the doctors the Catalan health system can throw at it, but no, he has to jump through hoops and what's more do it in Catalan (a language he is incapable of learning courtesy of his disablement).

I swear to god not one of them would be able to cope one day in my husbands shoes.

Anyhow, I was wondering, have any of you guys ever had to go through this, or do you know of anyone?

Is there anyone I can call, write to, sit on the desk of, who can help us prove my husbands disablement and win this, because until it is proven the authorities here have said they will be taxing my husband and will take 4 years back tax from his income. They are talking many many thousands, not just a few hundred guys, the collection of which is usually done by freezing your account they have told us and the deduction of all money until the bill is paid. Is this right?

This is making my already sick husband very, very ill indeed and to be honest I am not too happy about it either.

Thanks.
You can contact with the Generalitat in english if your knowledge of catalan or spanish is not good.Contact - Government of Catalonia - Government.eu
 

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Also contact the spanish citizens advice bureau.
This lot also could be able to help:


Migrar.org, un espacio de apoyo a las personas inmigrantes en España

With regards to the embargoing of accounts . There are a complete set of rules as to what they can & cannot take. It is also dependent o income.as to what they can actually do.
I recently had my computer blow up so haven't got the link but I have actually posted it here on occasions before .
 

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Heres one calculator for Cataluña.

ORGT | Organisme de Gestió Tribut?ria | Diputaci? de Barcelona salarys/pensions

ORGT | Organisme de Gestió Tribut?ria | Diputaci? de Barcelona accounts


ORGT | Organisme de Gestió Tribut?ria | Diputaci? de Barcelona some Q&A's

Here it is & I've found it on the Ministry site in officially translated English .

http://www.mjusticia.gob.es/cs/Sate...ocedure_Act_(Ley_de_Enjuiciamiento_Civil).PDF

It is Civil Procedure act

Not sureof the section as mine was in spanish & went straight in at relevant parts-
Think it is around the 560+
 

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Here we go ; section 3

SECTION 3. ON ASSETS WHICH CANNOT BE ATTACHED

page 196/7 on

P.S If you can get on top of it then make a denuncia about the "assessment in Catalan " as it is not legal
 

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Just chiming in with my own experience, though not in Catalunya. My child's disability was assessed by social services here in Castilla-La Mancha, and rather than starting from "square one," part of the process was to translate into Spanish a previous medical assessment that had been done a few years ago in another EU country.

Via e-mail I found a government-approved translator, as requested by social services. I scanned the existing medical assessment, e-mailed it to the translator, and after a few days she mailed me the sworn translation with her official seal. Social services then added that to their dossier. The one-page translation cost less than 50 euros.

Someone had told us, too, that a medical "panel" would review our child's case, but in reality we spent less than 5 minutes with one doctor at the social services office. He asked a few basic questions from the other side of a desk and then typed our responses into a file.

In our case, we might have spent as long as one hour with a social worker who asked about daily living skills and did some basic testing such as identifying simple pictures of everyday objects. Although the social worker spoke only Spanish, she said she would accept answers in English, as long as we could translate. For example, if she showed a picture of an anchor, it was OK to say "ancla" or "anchor." Other tests were nonverbal assessments of thinking skills, such as looking at a series of images and trying to recognize the pattern. She was low-key and the experience was not particularly stressful.

Once they had everything they needed, they sent us a letter stating they would make a decision within 3 months. In the end, we were surprised to learn that our child is eligible for a small annual compensation for the disability.

Maybe Pesky Wesky is right and it's not such a big deal. The first step is to ask someone such as your doctor or social services how to start the process. You might even be eligible for some financial assistance, as we were.

Fact is the powers that be here are both unwilling and unable it seems to accept any other countries doctors findings, even when those findings are in black and white and are there for them to read. Instead the authorities here are demanding that my husband prove he is disabled and the way he has to do this is to subject himself to scrutiny by a panel of doctors who will then decide if he is disabled or not.
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All of which has been catalogued by doctors who far exceed any of the doctors the Catalan health system can throw at it, but no, he has to jump through hoops and what's more do it in Catalan (a language he is incapable of learning courtesy of his disablement).
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They have given us until the 30th June to sort it all out after which they have said they will tax my hubbys invalidity pension, trouble is the social services lady in the Ajuntament has said it will take months to sort out.

Our doctor here in the village is about as much use as a chocolate fireguard as she said she hadn't a clue as to what was needed to get it all sorted.

We have the medical report the German doctors did for their government so we are getting that translated as well as doctors reports from England. All of which we aren't sure they will bother to read as they are insistant that he has to be assessed by their doctors etc.

Does anyone know if the doctors will travel to our local hospital to assess him as hubby is not allowed to sit for more than 2 hours so travelling to even Tarragona is out of the question. This of course is what the German doctors have said and if the authorities here won't accept this finding how can this be gotten round.
 
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