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News out today about how the social security in Spain will change. It's still being debated, but big changes are underway - things that could really change the way some people see their lives in Spain. If the areas of health and education are important to you and you understand Spanish, I urge you to keep up with the local and national news. The government is announcing/ debating huge cuts in these areas...
Pensioners to pay ten percent of the cost of their medicaments
 
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Pesky, this is a major concern. Here in the UK I found some reports about the gov needing and intending to take over the regional govs where necessary and impose changes but I can't find any follow up. It would be very helpful indeed if you or someone else could update on this situation as and when there are developments as changes to health and education are of vital importance to those of us about to embark on the path to Spain. Many if not most in our situation will have some Spanish but not enough to understand a major story like this, nor to appreciate the nuances.
 

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A good way to to follow the news in Spain is to read El Pais in English - you get abridged translations of the main articles from Spain's leading newspaper (though they often don't appear till the following day).
Yes, I'd agree with that.
So keep a look out all this week for articles about the health cuts, education cuts and YPF oil company in Argentina.
 
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Thank you! Absolutely what's needed. It's not going to stop us coming to Spain but we need to make a realistic assessment of what to expect and where to change our plans, if necessary.
 

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Pesky, this is a major concern. Here in the UK I found some reports about the gov needing and intending to take over the regional govs where necessary and impose changes but I can't find any follow up. It would be very helpful indeed if you or someone else could update on this situation as and when there are developments as changes to health and education are of vital importance to those of us about to embark on the path to Spain. Many if not most in our situation will have some Spanish but not enough to understand a major story like this, nor to appreciate the nuances.
I don't quite understand what you mean by 'regional governments' in the UK as there are only Town/Parish, District or County Councils with any legislative/derived powers.
Do you mean the recent proposals to change nationally-agreed levels of public sector pay to levels represntative of local conditions? If so, that is indeed in the pipeline and will be hard-fought by public sector unions.
Changes to Housing Benefit will also reflect local conditions but I have not read of any fixed proposals for implementation of regional levels of HB.

National Government -and the EU - has been encroaching on the powers and functions of local government since the Thatcher era. The taking away of the Non-Domestic Rate from local authorities and collecting and redistributing it nationally was a major step to rendering local government impotent.

As for charging pensioners....we must remember that not all pensioners are poor, certainlynot in the U.K. OH and I, now having reached pensionable age, are jointly in receipt of incomes from various sources...occupational and other pensions, investments etc. - well above the UK or Spanish national average for a retired or indeed working couple and are totally debt/mortgage free and we have no moral or practical objection to paying an affordable amount towards health care either here or in the U.K. if it would help those less fortunate than we.
I have yet to hear a valid argument supporting universal benefits. We live in 2012 not 1912.

'From each according to his means to each according to his needs'...?
 

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I don't quite understand what you mean by 'regional governments' in the UK as there are only Town/Parish, District or County Councils with any legislative/derived powers.
I think the OP is in the UK, trying to find information in English about the proposals for regional governments (autonomous communities) in Spain.
 

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Why am I not surprised, we are being screwed bit by bit every day, that 10% will soon become 15%
Seems Spain is learning from the UK who stealthily chip away at our freedom and incomes like possessed woodpeckers.
 

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Why am I not surprised, we are being screwed bit by bit every day, that 10% will soon become 15%
Seems Spain is learning from the UK who stealthily chip away at our freedom and incomes like possessed woodpeckers.
The last time I was in Australia there was a joke doing the rounds, it went like this:

Q. How do you know when a British Airways jet has landed at Sydney Airport?

I don't know, how do you tell when a BA Jet has landed?

A. Because it goes on whining even when they have switched the engines off!



says it all really, just glad I live on a rock, high in the mountains away from most of humanity...bliss!
 

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The last time I was in Australia there was a joke doing the rounds, it went like this:

Q. How do you know when a British Airways jet has landed at Sydney Airport?

I don't know, how do you tell when a BA Jet has landed?

A. Because it goes on whining even when they have switched the engines off!



says it all really, just glad I live on a rock, high in the mountains away from most of humanity...bliss!
The last time I was in Australia there was a joke doing the rounds, it went like this:

There was a big moron and a little moron sitting on a rock

Q. The big moron fell off. Why?

A. The little moron was a little more on.



says it all really, just glad there are plenty of rocks...bliss!
 

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The last time I was in Australia there was a joke doing the rounds, it went like this:

Q. How do you know when a British Airways jet has landed at Sydney Airport?

I don't know, how do you tell when a BA Jet has landed?

A. Because it goes on whining even when they have switched the engines off!



says it all really, just glad I live on a rock, high in the mountains away from most of humanity...bliss!
So - why are you reading this forum which is full of whingeing poms? ;)
 

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The Spanish Government passed a law last Thursday which would allow it take over the control of the finances in the regions which fail to stick to the austerity plan. Likely candidates are the PP controlled Valencia and Castilla-La Mancha, and Cataluña as well as Andalucía as being out front with deficit and perhaps Rajoy may even enjoy intervening in Socialist controlled Andalucia.
 

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It is ridiculous that regardless of wealth you get free prescriptions same with winter fuel allowance and child benefit even though thats changing.

they would be whining aussies (poms) aswell if they had to live in the uk ;-)
 

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Why am I not surprised, we are being screwed bit by bit every day, that 10% will soon become 15%
Seems Spain is learning from the UK who stealthily chip away at our freedom and incomes like possessed woodpeckers.
'Freedom' is a meaningless concept unless it is described more precisely.
My 'freedom' may lead to your loss of 'freedom'.

There are many freedoms, both 'freedom to' and 'freedom from'.

If you can afford to pay 10% , 15% or 50% then, if that helps people less well-off, you should.

It's ridiculous that my son and dil, both top earners, were receiving Child Benefit for their two children -helped pay the nanny and au pair, I guess:rolleyes: - and under the current regime will receive State Pension at the basic rate, free bus pass etc...
I don't think my dil has used a bus in her life....

As long as there are people in genuine need I am quite happy to pay what I can afford towards health care.
 

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The last time I was in Australia there was a joke doing the rounds, it went like this:

Q. How do you know when a British Airways jet has landed at Sydney Airport?

I don't know, how do you tell when a BA Jet has landed?

A. Because it goes on whining even when they have switched the engines off!



says it all really, just glad I live on a rock, high in the mountains away from most of humanity...bliss!
More of the same, just in case you missed it the first time round...
I think it would be more worrying if there was no whinging. Whinging is only complaining after all. If we weren't whinging we'd be accepting, and it's a very sorry state of affairs when you accept cuts in the basics of life just because.

I totally agree that cuts have to be made and cuts probably can be made in both the health service and education, but most people agree that cutting personnel is not the way to go about it. It would be nice not to cut anything in these areas, but the times of "fat cows" as the Spanish say are over and the "thin cows" are in the fields now so let's cut the inflated salaries, the subcontracts of the subcontracts, the use of expensive named drugs etc, but enough medical staff to go around, please.
 

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With 32 Australian soldiers killed and hundreds wounded, the Australian government under mounting pressure has withdrawn it's troops from Afghanistan a year ahead of schedule.

Definition of mounting pressure = Whinging Ozzies
 

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I read today that the pensioners are to pay for prescriptions, those who earn more pay more those who earn less pay less.

The trouble is to means test pensioners will cost more than what will be eventually recovered in the increased prescription charges................
 

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I read today that the pensioners are to pay for prescriptions, those who earn more pay more those who earn less pay less.

The trouble is to means test pensioners will cost more than what will be eventually recovered in the increased prescription charges................
Well the way that they are going to do it apparently is to cross transfer info from the tax offices to check everyone's income and financial situation, so they'll need to set up a whole new system to do that. Maybe they'll be able to employ the teachers and medical staff that they've made redundant in health and education cuts. Also they need to change some confidentiality laws because more people will have access to more info about patients. Then we will all be issued with new health cards that will have a chip on containing all this info or at least telling people in the medical profession which payment band we fall into. The cards we have now are valid for 5/ 10 years? The new cards will only be valid as long as our financial situation continues. If someone loses their job, or if someone gets a job, or someone is off sick for a month or 6 months I presume the card will be changed?
Doesn't sound like a great money saving scheme to me...
 
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