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Moving to Spain while maintaining British employment

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#1 ·
Hello everyone,
I wonder if anyone could share their experience or advice regarding moving to Barcelona while maintaining relation with current British employer.
I have done quite broad research online and read multiple sources but I feel like they contradict each other.

I have European passport so relocation for me shouldn't be a problem and I understand more or less what needs to be done for my wife, who doesn't have European passport, to stay legally on Spain.

However I'm not exactly sure about best work solutions. My company doesn't have a Spanish branch and I would be the first employee to work overseas. To my understanding, UK tax system should not be a problem as all I have to do is to feel a form to notify of work overseas to avoid double taxation.

What I'm not sure of is how Spanish side works. I heard lots about employer having to pay Spanish social security for me. Does it require the company to have a legal presence in Spain? What other issues does staying on British payroll cause? Anyone is such situation?

The two other solutions I learnt about is either registering myself as 'autonomo'. But that brings potential "falso autonomo" issue as I would like to work for the same company or using EOR. Not sure what drawbacks using EoR has beside having to sacrifice some salary to pay for their services. But how does EoR solve "falso autonomo" issue?

I'm aware of Digital Nomad but afaik it's limited to 3 years and ideally we would like to move indefinitely.

Thanks,
Jan
 
#2 ·
Welcome

With an EU passport you don't need/cannot apply for a Digital Nomad visa - nor any other kind of visa.

You come to Spain & register as an EU citizen resident in Spain & your wife comes with you & applies for residency as your spouse. This must be done within 90 days of arrival.

I'll leave the tax issues to others to respond to, but would recommend finding an accountant who understands both Spanish & UK tax rules.
 
#3 ·
A UK employer cannot pay Spanish Social Security contributions.

If you want to be registered for Social Secrity (i.e. be an insured person) you would need to either get an employment contract with a Spanish entity, or become self employed (autĂłnomo).

Otherwise just contract health insurance privately, you have to anyway to regsiter as an EU national residing in Spain. The pension issue is your choice if you contract one privately or not.

I don't believe that the falso autĂłnomo issue exists when working in Span for a foreign entity, but you should check with a labour relations lawyer.

Your employer may not want to set up a Spanish entity, but they (you) need to be very careful that this doesn't happen by default by your presence here in Spain as a worker abroad can trigger a Permanent Establishment which could make them liable for corporate tax in Spain. The rules are very complex and they need to ensure they are protected against this.
 
#4 ·
Hi,
Thank you for your replies.

I have to say it extremely confusing that a non-EU person can apply for digital nomad visa and their company is then exempt from the permanent establishment regulations but the same does not apply to European citizens.

I was suggested to use my British resident permit to apply for Digital Nomad Visa but it feels weird having polish passport. And it comes with all extra personal costs which are not there if one moves using their European citizenship.
 
#8 ·
It might have been my misunderstanding.

I explained the person I talked with that I'm aware of permanent establishment risk, social security requirements etc and I was basically given advice to apply for DNV.
So I assumed that DNV exempts employer from PE.
But maybe it's not the case as I couldn't find any official confirmation of that.

And the more I read, the less sense the suggestion makes to me. Regarding the social security I was told to use HMRC form CA3822 which ensures I'll be paying national insurance in UK whole abroad. I guess I could use it without DNV and move to Spain as EU citizen for 2 years and think about next step during that time.

Most likely I'll end up going autonomo as it seems to be the clearest option. The main reason I'm avoiding it is due to stock options I've been granted
 
#9 ·
I would not assume that the PE risk is affeceted in any way by the DNV. I just can't see how the visa affects corporate tax liability.

With regards to UK national insurance, I agree, as long as you are employed by a UK company, you will have to continue contributing even though you will only be able to take the pension accrual benefit from it, and not the NHS services. This in itsef isn't a problem except for the fact that you will not be contributing in Spain.

Of course, if you do go autonomo that issue disappears because you will have no UK employer, just a customer.