[gasgasgas]

Hi,

Considering the usual long lead time taken for the job application process in OZ, is it advisable to start job applications 2 months before expected PR approval?

By the time the selection process ends, I will probably be in time to secure the PR and commence work.

Will job agencies/companies consider job applications for such circumstances?

 

[jb12]

Hello.
If you are granted a PR visa, you normally don't know when that letter/email will arrive. So it would be difficult to apply two months in advance. It is better to apply for a job when you already have a PR visa granted to you and you can state that on your resume. Otherwise, these recruitment agencies might not have an interest in your resume. They likely receive hundreds or thousands of applicants from overseas in hopes of being sponsored. However, if they like the information in your resume and know that you already have a PR visa, you would have a better chance of maybe being considered for an interview.

But please note, I was told by two HR reps that most of these companies prefer the applicant to be already moved into Australia even if you have a PR. Not that it can be done for people that can just quit their current job and move there without a job lined up due to financial situation.

However, when you get your PR visa, you do need to validate your visa in Australia by a certain date. You don't necessarily have to move in yet. But that will be a good time for you to get in contact with some recruitment agencies to meet with them for possible employment opportunities.

 

[sam_lloyd1881]

Hey gas^3,

The tricky part is that when you've sent your cv, the agent or company contacting you would want to validate your VISA before they move on to the next stage( securing an interview), and I don't think they'll follow up if there's no appropiate VISA, even though it's in the midst of being processed. This is from experience.

But you can try and make a few submissions, i might be wrong.

 

[gasgasgas]

hi all,

thanks for above advices.

I was thinking if the company can't find suitable candidates and are already prepared to sponsor a candidate, then as a potential PR i might stand a good chance.

For 457, they will still need to spend some time and paperwork to process the paperwork. Hence, they might be willing to wait for my visa to be approved and start work.

btw, i'm a mechanical engineer heading for perth.

 

[jb12]

The only problem with your scenario is would you really know when your PR visa will be granted? I don't know how many companies could wait for you if that time frame is unknown. Unless the DIAC is now giving a time frame to applicants when a decision on the visa will be decided? For myself, I just received an email with the attached PDF.

If a company really wants to sponsor an employee, I'm sure they can find ways to expedite the paperwork.

But as sam_lloyd1881 stated above, you can try sending a few submissions. It's just a better scenario that you already have a visa granted so that when you get an interview and they like you to offer you a job, it would be quick decision. Less opportunity for them to interview other candidates while they wait for your visa to be decided.

 

[sam_lloyd1881]

hi all,

thanks for above advices.

I was thinking if the company can't find suitable candidates and are already prepared to sponsor a candidate, then as a potential PR i might stand a good chance.

For 457, they will still need to spend some time and paperwork to process the paperwork. Hence, they might be willing to wait for my visa to be approved and start work.

btw, i'm a mechanical engineer heading for perth.

Hi Gasgasgas,

What you mentioned is possible. What JB above mentioned is also true, they would also prefer to have applicants who already have their PR, and are living in OZ. My friend is a HR, and he tells me that when resumes are sent, he will screen their address to see if they have an Oz Address and number, if not, most times they by-pass it.

But with your occupation, i don't think you need to worry much, as Engineers are in demand. When did you apply for your 176 Visa, if you dun mind me asking.

 

[jb12]

Hi sam_lloyd1881,

In regards to your friend that is in HR, they intentionally by pass applicants with a non-Australian address even though they have a PR? I don't understand with all the technology that we have with skype, phone,etc. why interviews can't be done this way without physically being in Australia for the interview. Just because I have read posts on this forum about people getting job offers or being sponsored and they have never even been to Australia.

I'm also an engineer and was surprised when the HR reps asked when I was planning to move to Australia when I was there to validate my visa. Engineers maybe in demand. But I think it depends on the person's work experience and industry. Example, a mining company will likely not hire an engineer who has a different industry experience. But may change if they don't get enough applicants?
Of course, probably managers or executive levels maybe considered because that requires more leadership skills in addition to their technical/business background.

 

[sam_lloyd1881]

Hi sam_lloyd1881,

In regards to your friend that is in HR, they intentionally by pass applicants with a non-Australian address even though they have a PR? I don't understand with all the technology that we have with skype, phone,etc. why interviews can't be done this way without physically being in Australia for the interview. Just because I have read posts on this forum about people getting job offers or being sponsored and they have never even been to Australia.

I'm also an engineer and was surprised when the HR reps asked when I was planning to move to Australia when I was there to validate my visa. Engineers maybe in demand. But I think it depends on the person's work experience and industry. Example, a mining company will likely not hire an engineer who has a different industry experience. But may change if they don't get enough applicants?
Of course, probably managers or executive levels maybe considered because that requires more leadership skills in addition to their technical/business background.

Hi jb12,

There are 2 views here, as one HR friend of mine said that they won't give a 2nd look if there's no sign of local address. Another HR friend of mine said that if it mentioned why there is no Oz address, for example, moving in a week or 2, they might give it a go if the applicant is desired. SO it also depends on who you send ur cv to, but what is definate is that Job recruiting agents will most of the time by pass if there's no local address, as there are probably so many people applying, they have many options.

But as what you mentioned, if they applicant has a very specialised set of skills no other has, they have a good chance the company might wait it out.

 

[gasgasgas]

Sam,

176 formal appllication should take place next month. I am prepared to fly down to Perth for interviews, if need be. As for Australian phone and address, I can consider engaging service providers whom can provide this for a small fee.

I guess no harm trying. Really appreciate helpful advices in this forum.

Hi Gasgasgas,

What you mentioned is possible. What JB above mentioned is also true, they would also prefer to have applicants who already have their PR, and are living in OZ. My friend is a HR, and he tells me that when resumes are sent, he will screen their address to see if they have an Oz Address and number, if not, most times they by-pass it.

But with your occupation, i don't think you need to worry much, as Engineers are in demand. When did you apply for your 176 Visa, if you dun mind me asking.

 

[sam_lloyd1881]

Sam,

176 formal appllication should take place next month. I am prepared to fly down to Perth for interviews, if need be. As for Australian phone and address, I can consider engaging service providers whom can provide this for a small fee.

I guess no harm trying. Really appreciate helpful advices in this forum.

All the best in your application!
oh yeah, one more thing, you might want to edit your CV according to the Oz standard. I know back in Sg, we're all so acustomed to placing our pics,marital status, our age, our race and so on so forth. All the stuff i mentioned, take it all. I sent my resume using the Sg format when i was job hunting, not much replies. I edited it and removed all the above, I got much more calls for interviews.
Good luck!

 

[gasgasgas]

Sam,

appreciate your advice/encouragement...thanks!

All the best in your application!
oh yeah, one more thing, you might want to edit your CV according to the Oz standard. I know back in Sg, we're all so acustomed to placing our pics,marital status, our age, our race and so on so forth. All the stuff i mentioned, take it all. I sent my resume using the Sg format when i was job hunting, not much replies. I edited it and removed all the above, I got much more calls for interviews.
Good luck!

 

[ponsil7174]

Hi,

Considering the usual long lead time taken for the job application process in OZ, is it advisable to start job applications 2 months before expected PR approval?

By the time the selection process ends, I will probably be in time to secure the PR and commence work.

Will job agencies/companies consider job applications for such circumstances?

I am also waiting for my 175 Visa. I have put my CV at SEEK.com in Australia even before I applied for my PR. I mentioned in my SEEK account that my PR is being processed. Couple of recruiters have approached me for the jobs in Perth, they enquire on my PR status update. I just simply said that it might be granted in Feb 2012.., then one of them said: we will get back to you later then...(I guess after the grant of my Visa...)...I think nothing to loose to be actively looking for job while we are waiting for our PR to be granted...Good luck with your PR application..