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Sexism, ageism, feminism, racism etc.

Are they real or just imagined by the people who feel they're discriminated against?

I'm a victim of all the above, but do I bleat about it? No. I pull my pants up and continue.

Life's too short to drink bad wine....
 

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Question? if you don't have an "ism" are you likely to be discriminated against?


time is a waste of life, life is a waste of time...let's get wasted all of the time
 

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I googled that.

And failed.

Again
deconstructionism
[A term coined by the French critic Jacques Derrida.]
... deconstruction consists of asserting a personally relative interpretation (usually focused on power relations or class conflict in society) without claiming that any text or interpretation has objective truth or meaning.

eudaimonism
[From Greek eudaimonia: good fortune, happiness, flourishing.]
(ethics) Any theory that puts personal happiness and the complete life of the individual at the center of ethical concern.

So basically, "Sod you mate, I'm OK."
 

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Question? if you don't have an "ism" are you likely to be discriminated against?
Or put another way, which comes first, the discrimination or the "ism"?

Most of these terms weren't created by the people being discriminated against. In fact I can't think of any that were.

The term Feminism was coined by the French (men) in the 1870s as a put-down for women who dared to demand an education.

Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century, is the belief or attitude that one sex is inherently superior to, more competent than, or more valuable than the other. It can apply to both sexes.

The word "racism" was coined in the 1930s by German sexologist and homosexual activist Magnus Hirschfeld.

Isms are an all too convenient and lazy way of looking at, or describing the world. They encourage people to adopt views they haven't thought through properly, they create false impressions, and they quickly lose their originally intended meaning. I think we are all suffering from an overdose of ismism.
 

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Sexism, ageism, feminism, racism etc.

Are they real or just imagined by the people who feel they're discriminated against?

I'm a victim of all the above, but do I bleat about it? No. I pull my pants up and continue.

Life's too short to drink bad wine....
Interestingly sexism, ageism and racism are bad but feminism is admirable. :confused:

Is nationalism ok? My guess is yes if you are Scottish but not if you are English.
 

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Time is a waste of life, life is a waste of time...let's get wasted all of the time
Andy and Dunmovin I agree whole heartedly on those statements but by doing so does that put us into the "alcoholism" category?
 
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Or put another way, which comes first, the discrimination or the "ism"?

Most of these terms weren't created by the people being discriminated against. In fact I can't think of any that were.

The term Feminism was coined by the French (men) in the 1870s as a put-down for women who dared to demand an education.

Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century, is the belief or attitude that one sex is inherently superior to, more competent than, or more valuable than the other. It can apply to both sexes.

The word "racism" was coined in the 1930s by German sexologist and homosexual activist Magnus Hirschfeld.

Isms are an all too convenient and lazy way of looking at, or describing the world. They encourage people to adopt views they haven't thought through properly, they create false impressions, and they quickly lose their originally intended meaning. I think we are all suffering from an overdose of ismism.
I believe, that a group of people can be prejudiced over another, so women can be prejudiced against men, or gays/lesbians can be prejudiced against heterosexuals, whatever. I don't believe this is right and I don't agree with it.

But I don't agree that sexism can apply to both sexes, nor do I believe there is such a think as reverse racism, or reverse heterosexism, or reverse classism, blah blah blah.

Sexism, racism, and heterosexism are institutional, systemic - a world discourse. All of these terms imply prejudice. But another important word that is often left out, or forgotten about, is power - so IMO racism, sexism, whatever ism, means prejudice and power by the people with the power over the people that don't. All you have to do is look at who has the balance of power in the world. So there can be no such thing as racism by, say blacks against whites, because whites have the power in the world.

So if there was a TV show or some organisation that promoted hatred by blacks against whites, I think it is prejudice. But I don't think it's racist

And before everybody jumps on this, take a look at the stats & see who controls the world's wealth. In no way do I want to this to turn into another thread about positive discrimination in the UK, or about feminism. The stats speak for themselves - if you don't like them, well, tough, but at least acknowledge them

And can you clarify what you mean by "ism" being a lazy way of looking at the world? I think you would agree that racism, sexism, heterosexism, etc. are very real. It may be that the suffix "ism" is overused, but it usually attached to a word to imply prejudice + power over a group of people, so not sure what other word could be used.
 

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I believe, that a group of people can be prejudiced over another, so women can be prejudiced against men, or gays/lesbians can be prejudiced against heterosexuals, whatever. I don't believe this is right and I don't agree with it.

But I don't agree that sexism can apply to both sexes, nor do I believe there is such a think as reverse racism, or reverse heterosexism, or reverse classism, blah blah blah.
Although there might not be institutionalised economic discrimination against men, there is definitely cultural sexism and women can be guilty of sexist behaviour. There are stereotypes of desirable and undesirable male qualities everywhere you look - in the media, in advertising, and amongst certain types of women who expect men to behave in a particular way.

One of the biggest shortcomings of the women's movement was the failure of some of the leaders to acknowledge that some men were actually on their side. Slogans like "all men are rapists" or t-shirts saying "There are billions of men, why test on animals?" are appallingly sexist, aren't they?

Sexism, racism, and heterosexism are institutional, systemic - a world discourse. All of these terms imply prejudice. But another important word that is often left out, or forgotten about, is power - so IMO racism, sexism, whatever ism, means prejudice and power by the people with the power over the people that don't. All you have to do is look at who has the balance of power in the world. So there can be no such thing as racism by, say blacks against whites, because whites have the power in the world.

So if there was a TV show or some organisation that promoted hatred by blacks against whites, I think it is prejudice. But I don't think it's racist.
So racism = prejudice + power? Possibly, at a global level. But at an individual or community level, the balance of power might be different. For example, street gangs which exist solely to attack individuals of another ethnic group are being racist IMO, whether its whites on Asians, Asians on Afro-Caribbeans or A-Cs on whites. And what about anti-semitism? Does that count as racism? because if so it certainly doesn't meet your criterion. Zionists certainly don't lack power.

And before everybody jumps on this, take a look at the stats & see who controls the world's wealth. In no way do I want to this to turn into another thread about positive discrimination in the UK, or about feminism. The stats speak for themselves - if you don't like them, well, tough, but at least acknowledge them.
That's capitalism though - one of my least favourite isms!

And can you clarify what you mean by "ism" being a lazy way of looking at the world? I think you would agree that racism, sexism, heterosexism, etc. are very real. It may be that the suffix "ism" is overused, but it usually attached to a word to imply prejudice + power over a group of people, so not sure what other word could be used.
Yes, of course they are real. But they often draw attention away from more fundamental problems caused by the unequal distribution of resources and power. Much racial tension is actually down to poverty, poor housing, unemployment - it's easy to blame people who look different from you, and accuse them of taking jobs/houses etc that you think should go to whites. But skin colour isn't the cause of the resource shortage. Politicians often say "we must stamp out racism" and introduce positive discrimination but that does nothing to address the underlying problems.
 

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While there are people in the world with different opinions to others, there will be discrimination and jealousy and therefore "isms"

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Life's too short to drink bad wine....
Time is a waste of life, life is a waste of time...let's get wasted all of the time
Andy and Dunmovin I agree whole heartedly on those statements but by doing so does that put us into the "alcoholism" category?
no mate, what it DOES do is, put us in the category of being wise enough to see it is pointless argueing about it, as it will never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction and smart enough to know where the nearest bar is........ and we can always rejoin the arguement when the tv has and advert break:ranger:
 

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no mate, what it DOES do is, put us in the category of being wise enough to see it is pointless argueing about it, as it will never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction and smart enough to know where the nearest bar is........ and we can always rejoin the arguement when the tv has and advert break:ranger:
Brilliant.
I'm in hyde park at the tuc march for the alternative. It's full of weird wimmin and people on invalidity benefit shouting socialist slogans.
Nola, you should be here,.. And i've just been given a bag with a flag in it. Oh well, better than a sainsburys carrier for the beer then...
PMSL
 

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no mate, what it DOES do is, put us in the category of being wise enough to see it is pointless argueing about it, as it will never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction and smart enough to know where the nearest bar is........ and we can always rejoin the arguement when the tv has and advert break:ranger:
Finally someone who agrees with me. At least someone on this forum sees things the same way I do, at least on this subject.....On another note. I am on my way to the USA to have surgery on my back tomorrow. Will be back in the UAE 1 May. Andy keep them on topic.
 

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Finally someone who agrees with me. At least someone on this forum sees things the same way I do, at least on this subject.....On another note. I am on my way to the USA to have surgery on my back tomorrow. Will be back in the UAE 1 May. Andy keep them on topic.
hope the surgery goes well for you and if the doc asks you if you ever had a "drink problem" Say "Yes...I got two hands.... and only one mouth.":D:D:D
 

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Brilliant.
I'm in hyde park at the tuc march for the alternative. It's full of weird wimmin and people on invalidity benefit shouting socialist slogans.
Nola, you should be here,.. And i've just been given a bag with a flag in it. Oh well, better than a sainsburys carrier for the beer then...
PMSL
errrmmm...... Andy at a TUC march, weird wimmin, socialist slogans..and an old bag(wiv a flag).... .... ye Gods.... Andy has morphed into Alf Garnett................

"the ultimate grumpy ole man".. (hint: give the bag back..her husband is either rejoicing or reporting her missing....Arfur "wheetabix hair" Scargill has sank without a trace..... and your christmas cards won't arrive until August2013....the postal workers have photographic proof you were there).... btw....just where WAS the flag?
 

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Brilliant.
I'm in hyde park at the tuc march for the alternative. It's full of weird wimmin and people on invalidity benefit shouting socialist slogans.
Nola, you should be here,.. And i've just been given a bag with a flag in it. Oh well, better than a sainsburys carrier for the beer then...
PMSL

Can someone translate this into english?
 

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Finally someone who agrees with me. At least someone on this forum sees things the same way I do, at least on this subject.....On another note. I am on my way to the USA to have surgery on my back tomorrow. Will be back in the UAE 1 May. Andy keep them on topic.
Good luck and speedy recovery!
 

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Can someone translate this into english?
TUC =trades union congress.... weird wimmin= anything of the female gender Andy has issues with. Socialist slogans= anything Andy doesn't agree with. Bag=grumpy old female (closest approx form americans... grumpy(read beligerent) bag lady)
 
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