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A recent post described the UK as, amongst other things, a 'filthy, rotten, stinking' country which doesn't care about its citizens.

I cannot believe this to be an accurate portrait and would be interested in what others think.

We may be resident in Spain but many of us spend quite long periods of time in the UK. I certainly did until about a year and a half ago and that description doesn't fit with the country I saw.
 

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A recent post described the UK as, amongst other things, a 'filthy, rotten, stinking' country which doesn't care about its citizens.

I cannot believe this to be an accurate portrait and would be interested in what others think.

We may be resident in Spain but many of us spend quite long periods of time in the UK. I certainly did until about a year and a half ago and that description doesn't fit with the country I saw.
I haven't lived there for five years but I still listen to Radio 4 every day and scan the newspapers online.

I think the UK currently has a rotten stinking government which doesn't care about its citizens. Some of the things Gove and IDS say make me feel physically queasy. Likewise some of the opinions expressed in papers like the Mail.

But there are still a lot of good people doing good things, so I haven't lost hope entirely.
 

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I haven't lived there for over 13 years but when I go back I certainly don't see a a 'filthy, rotten, stinking' country' but then people will see what they want to see I suppose.

I find it difficult to put all the blame for the current situation on the current government. I don't suppose they are doing everything the way everybody thinks they should but they inherited a hell of a mess from the last lot who of course only carried on with what the sainted Maggie started.
 

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I haven't lived there for five years but I still listen to Radio 4 every day and scan the newspapers online.

I think the UK currently has a rotten stinking government which doesn't care about its citizens. Some of the things Gove and IDS say make me feel physically queasy. Likewise some of the opinions expressed in papers like the Mail.

But there are still a lot of good people doing good things, so I haven't lost hope entirely.
Yes, I'd agree with that view. The current Government is imo misguided, mistaken and more damaging to what is left of the fabric of our society than even the Thatcher Government. Even Thatcher left the Royal Mail in public ownership.

But to write off the country as a whole....no way.

The UK was the country that educated me, enabled me to make use of a 'free' health service which was at one time the envy of the world, gave me access to employment and the ability to travel and see and compare other countries.. We have an active citizenship involved in a host of voluntary associations, there is still some measure of accountability of those in power and we have laws that grant equality and protection to women, the disabled and mentally ill, ethnic minorities and LGBT people.

We are free to vote in a government of our choice and if the result is one that is less than desirable we have only ourselves to blame.
Many people in less enlightened countries would give anything to be able to live in such a country, albeit one with many imperfections.

Equally, there are very many people living happily in the UK who have no desire whatsoever to leave it and move to Spain, France, Italy or Timbuktu.
They do not spend their daily lives 'dreaming' of some imaginary future of sun, sea and sand, they just enjoy what they have and are thankful for friends and family as well as the material things. That's how I've lived my life, wherever I have found myself and regardless of how much or little money I had in the bank..
 

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I haven't lived there for over 13 years but when I go back I certainly don't see a a 'filthy, rotten, stinking' country' but then people will see what they want to see I suppose.
You only see what you want to see when you come back over for your short visits. You're like a tourist, you don't see the putrid, rotting underbelly of this country lying under the surface. Because you don't have to deal with it on a day to day basis.

I find it difficult to put all the blame for the current situation on the current government.
Who said it was down to the current government? This country hasn't has any other government other than a Tory or Labour one since the end of the second world war. Whatever mess it's in now is down to both of them.

It truly breaks my heart to see how those two political parties have utterly destroyed this country between them and turned it into the utter shambles it's in now. This country was a lovely one to live in once, now it's putrid and rotten to the core.

All those politicians do is squabble about who's turn it is next to destroy it with their lunatic policies—none which ever work or make the slightest bit of difference.
 
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You only see what you want to see when you come back over for your short visits. You're like a tourist, you don't see the putrid, rotting underbelly of this country lying under the surface. Because you don't have to deal with it on a day to day basis.



Who said it was down to the current government? This country hasn't has any other government other than a Tory or Labour one since the end of the second world war. Whatever mess it's in now is down to both of them.

It truly breaks my heart to see how those two political parties have utterly destroyed this country between them and turned it into the utter shambles it's in now. This country was a lovely one to live in once, now it's putrid and rotten to the core.

All those politicians do is squabble about who's turn it is next to destroy it with their lunatic policies—none which ever work or make the slightest bit of difference.
Well, there's a lot to take issue with there..:)
True, the country hasn't had any other Government than Tory or Labour since the end of WW2. Since 1979 it's had a free market orientated period which both major Parties have embraced with a greater or lesser degree of fervour.
But are you implying that the country was less 'putrid, rotten, stinking' etc. pre-1939? The prewar period was characterised by mass unemployment, real poverty, low wages, no NHS, no real investment in education or social services for the 'proles', extreme and understandable class hatred...
Yes, some of those evils exist but those post- war governments, particularly those of Attlee, MacMillan and Wilson, less than perfect as they were, brought in measures which resulted in real improvements to the standard of living of the mass of ordinary working people. That is undeniable. Much progress has been made in creating a better, fairer society although there's a long way to go..

Was there ever a time when there was social peace, justice and a reasonable measure of equality? At what period did what you describe as 'this once lovely country' exist? When the Liberals were in power? In Lloyd George's day?? But as a Libertarian surely you would find any obtrusive government objectionable.

Yes, I agree, we are back in many ways to the 1960s 'private affluence and public squalor'. But 'putrid, rotting underbelly'? Where?? What??

A country isn't just landscape, forests, coasts, towns, cities and villages. These are 'innocent'. If you describe a country as 'rotten' 'putrid' and so on you are describing its citizens. There must be agency somewhere that corrupted the green and pleasant land. Many -not all - of our current politicians of all Parties are useless, Nick Clegg in particular in my opinion. But the people elected them.

Maybe we as a nation have been corrupted by greed and comparative debt-laden affluence. Maybe some of those living in the UK do find their lives so depressing that from Day One of their working lives they 'dream' of a home in Spain. But that's not the case with most people and as it is the people that create the ambience of any country I reject the view that British people are 'rotten'' putrid' etc etc.
After all, you're not!:D:D
 

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We are free to vote in a government of our choice and if the result is one that is less than desirable we have only ourselves to blame.
Many -not all - of our current politicians of all Parties are useless, Nick Clegg in particular in my opinion. But the people elected them.
Both of which quotes seem to suggest that the electorate have a choice... in a two party electoral system such as the Uk (and here for that matter) what other choices are available?
Bit like the choice between the fire or the frying pan; the devil or the deep blue sea.

UKIP? so far as I can tell they are Tories with a strong mix of nationalism involved. They are to the Conservatives what New Labour was to the original bunch.

No matter... at the end of the day it's always going to be a case of 'meet the new boss; same as the old boss...'
 

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Both of which quotes seem to suggest that the electorate have a choice... in a two party electoral system such as the Uk (and here for that matter) what other choices are available?
Bit like the choice between the fire or the frying pan; the devil or the deep blue sea.

UKIP? so far as I can tell they are Tories with a strong mix of nationalism involved. They are to the Conservatives what New Labour was to the original bunch.

No matter... at the end of the day it's always going to be a case of 'meet the new boss; same as the old boss...'
Well, the electorate does have a choice...as well as the main parties, there is a variety of minor parties of the left, the right as well as those on the outer fringes of sanity.
Those dissatisfied with Labour can vote for Scargill's Socialist Party,Galloway's Respect the Communist Party or the SWP.
On the right you have UKIP,The BNP and all those tiny parties with the word 'England' in their name.
The majority choose 'more of the same with promises' because the English tradition is conservative and non-ideological. There is much to be thankful for in that. We choose reform over revolution.
If we don't like our politics it is our responsibility to do something about it. Too many people prefer to stand on the sidelines and carp and whinge, though.
 

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A filthy, rotten, stinking country eh?? They must have been visiting my ex-wife....
 
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