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According to what's been on the news today, this will also affect those who are already in the UK, if they are not earning that amount within si years of their arrival (an impossibility for nurses in the lower grades). The General Secretary of the Royal College of Nursing is urging the nursing profession be added to the list of occupations which would be exempt from this rule because there is a shortage of workers, otherwise they claim it could be disastrous for hospital staffing levels and mean that over 20 million pounds which has already been spent to recruit nurses from outside the EU will have been wasted if many of them are forced to leave. He also pointed out that costs for agency nurses to fill the gaps are already astronomical. As nursing is now a degree qualified job and apparently people now have to spend a year working as a Healthcare Assistant beforehand (which I didn't know) there is nowhere near enough time for sufficient people from the UK to be trained before this takes effect, even if enough people are attracted to want to train given the relatively low pay and less salubrious aspects of the job.

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According to what's been on the news today, this will also affect those who are already in the UK, if they are not earning that amount within si years of their arrival (an impossibility for nurses in the lower grades). The General Secretary of the Royal College of Nursing is urging the nursing profession be added to the list of occupations which would be exempt from this rule because there is a shortage of workers, otherwise they claim it could be disastrous for hospital staffing levels and mean that over 20 million pounds which has already been spent to recruit nurses from outside the EU will have been wasted if many of them are forced to leave. He also pointed out that costs for agency nurses to fill the gaps are already astronomical. As nursing is now a degree qualified job and apparently people now have to spend a year working as a Healthcare Assistant beforehand (which I didn't know) there is nowhere near enough time for sufficient people from the UK to be trained before this takes effect, even if enough people are attracted to want to train given the relatively low pay and less salubrious aspects of the job.

Migrant salary rules may cost NHS nurse jobs, union warns - BBC News
it does seem to be rather high, doesn't it?


if Spain required the same I'd be kicked out.......
 

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But there are always exceptions are there not. I'm not sure that this is not a bad thing based on the alternative. Between a rock and a hard place as the Americans used to say. But I'd like it balanced with maintaining or increasing the third world funding.

ps. Yeah, yeah you can't use that expression you have to say emerging but that in many cases is a lie so I'll stick with third world ;)
 

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it does seem to be rather high, doesn't it?


if Spain required the same I'd be kicked out.......
I don't know what the owners of residential care homes are going to do, either, as they rely heavily on migrant workers. If they raise the wages in an effort to attract more British people to the jobs, that will just send care home fees higher than the hundreds of pounds a week they currently are, which will add millions to local authority social care costs - so a self defeating measure. But the big problem is that many people just don't want to do that type of work. If they are virtually press-ganged into it under threat of having benefits stopped, what standard of care are the poor residents likely to receive?
 

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To me it sounds like it has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with granting British citizenship. If an immigrant on low pay wants to stay on for longer than 5 years than they can do so, they just can't take on UK nationality.
I don't think so. What is being introduced affects the right to settle (also referred to as indefinite leave to remain) which is different from being granted British citizenship. The latest news reports are saying that people earning below the 35K threshold will have to leave after 5 years.

Taken from the article Xabiachica originally linked to:-


"The pay threshold will apply to people wanting to remain permanently after more than five years working in the UK.
Those who don't qualify will be ordered to leave the UK after six years."
 

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But there are always exceptions are there not. I'm not sure that this is not a bad thing based on the alternative. Between a rock and a hard place as the Americans used to say. But I'd like it balanced with maintaining or increasing the third world funding.

ps. Yeah, yeah you can't use that expression you have to say emerging but that in many cases is a lie so I'll stick with third world ;)
How would insisting on a minimum salary of £30k plus be 'balanced' by increasing aid to developing countries, I wonder? The one, the basic salary, is aimed at the individual. Funding to NDCs doesn't get distributed like that. I agree that we should support the economies of NDCs to try to keep the youngest and most economically active from emigrating and I'm with you 100% there but I'm not sure how this can be done in practical, specific, cost-effective terms. Much aid to NDCs is wasted through inefficiency or diverted through corruption or is linked to trade deals.
Incidentally, the term 'Third World' no longer has relevance as the 'First World' referred to the rich, 'free' western countries, the 'Second' was the socialist bloc states and the 'Third' the poorest African, Asian and Central American countries.
As the 'Second World' no longer exists, the First and Third logically cannot either.
But yes, sadly, some, such as Ethiopia, Somalia and many Sub-Saharan states are barely emerging from poverty.
They all have generous military budgets, though....
 

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I don't understand how the NHS gets away with applying different rules to UK (and therefore EU?) workers than it does to those from elsewhere, like the Philippines.
 

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I don't understand how the NHS gets away with applying different rules to UK (and therefore EU?) workers than it does to those from elsewhere, like the Philippines.
AFAIK They must be seen as an equal opportunities employer. They have to employ a certain quoter of foreign staff and each area/trust has a percentage it must adhere to. To fail, may lead to fines and therefore its cheaper to not only employ foreign staff, but travel abroad to find them and then to aid them with relocation packages.

Thats my understanding

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AFAIK They must be seen as an equal opportunities employer. They have to employ a certain quoter of foreign staff and each area/trust has a percentage it must adhere to. To fail, may lead to fines and therefore its cheaper to not only employ foreign staff, but travel abroad to find them and then to aid them with relocation packages.

Thats my understanding

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Surely there's a caveat to that - namely the employer of said Non UK and Non EU worker,
has to prove ( to Immigration and the UK Border Agencies, satisfaction ) first - that there
are no suitable or equivalent qualified UK or EU workers available to do the job.
 

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Surely there's a caveat to that - namely the employer of said Non UK and Non EU worker,
has to prove ( to Immigration and the UK Border Agencies, satisfaction ) first - that there
are no suitable or equivalent qualified UK or EU workers available to do the job.
The NHS would say that they advertise and have local recruitment drives, but cant get the staff....!!???


However, to get a job with the NHS, as a British person (who's first language is English) you must use the correct words during the interview to get enough points to pass, then you have to have the DBS (formerly crb) check, all references and qualifications must be handed in and certified....

And after all that, you find that actually the nursing recruitment agency down the road will take you on and place you in an NHS job for just about double the money that you'd have been paid if you had worked for the NHS with none of the hassle. A friend of mine actually left her NHS job, went to an agency who placed her in her old job for nearly double the money!! You couldnt make it up!! The reason the NHS uses agencies is so that they dont have to award contracts and therefore no need to gain permission to recruit from the many layers who have to be consulted first. Agency and bank staff can be recruited from lower management.

Now look what you've done, you've got me started lol


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The NHS would say that they advertise and have local recruitment drives, but cant get the staff....!!???


However, to get a job with the NHS, as a British person (who's first language is English) you must use the correct words during the interview to get enough points to pass, then you have to have the DBS (formerly crb) check, all references and qualifications must be handed in and certified....
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Precisely why a Filipino or any other Non EU national from dubious Non EU countries
should be turned down at the first hurdle - as their corrupt law enforcement
agencies ( no doubt ) leave a lot to be desired - compared to Law enforcement in
the EU. Therefore Non EU candidate turned down on the grounds of unsatisfactory
background checks.
 

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Precisely why a Filipino or any other Non EU national from dubious Non EU countries
should be turned down at the first hurdle - as their corrupt law enforcement
agencies ( no doubt ) leave a lot to be desired - compared to Law enforcement in
the EU. Therefore Non EU candidate turned down on the grounds of unsatisfactory
background checks.
True, but the NHS are actively trying to recruit them...........:rolleyes:

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True, but the NHS are actively trying to recruit them...........:rolleyes:

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That's no excuse - the Unions should be bringing the NHS to book for not exhausting
their search for suitable local candidates in the UK or for giving adequate
apprenticeships or training to local ( within the UK ) candidate's whose qualifications
and backgrounds can be easily verified.

There should be no rule for UK or EU candidates and another rule ( no doubt lax rules ) for Non EU
candidates. The NHS has to be seen to fair and reasonable & more importantly - abiding by UK
immigration, work permits and right of residency rules.
 
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