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Hi guys,

I posted a thread around a year ago now, but my situation has changed and therefore i need infomation and a bit of advice on my plan.

Im 24 years old and live and work in Preston, lancashire, England. I am an e-communications specialist but have been working in finance for the last two years. I have a modern apprenticeship in business admin, and i am level 2 AAT (accounting and finance) qualified.

I am looking to move to Spain around this time next year. I will have saved up around 8 thousand pounds in this time.

I am willing to take on any kind of work that will cover my cost of living over there. I have been looking at the Canary Islands but could do with a bit of advice on places that you would recommend/not recommend and what the current/predicated work climate is predicted for next year, whether it will be difficult for me to find work or not?

I would be looking for maybe a kind of touristy area, with a lively atmosphere all though this is not nessecary as i am looking for a perminant move not just a summer job.

Any advice, pointers at all would be much appreciated

Hope to hear from you soon

Thanks
Brad :)
 

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Hi guys,

I posted a thread around a year ago now, but my situation has changed and therefore i need infomation and a bit of advice on my plan.

Im 24 years old and live and work in Preston, lancashire, England. I am an e-communications specialist but have been working in finance for the last two years. I have a modern apprenticeship in business admin, and i am level 2 AAT (accounting and finance) qualified.

I am looking to move to Spain around this time next year. I will have saved up around 8 thousand pounds in this time.

I am willing to take on any kind of work that will cover my cost of living over there. I have been looking at the Canary Islands but could do with a bit of advice on places that you would recommend/not recommend and what the current/predicated work climate is predicted for next year, whether it will be difficult for me to find work or not?

I would be looking for maybe a kind of touristy area, with a lively atmosphere all though this is not nessecary as i am looking for a perminant move not just a summer job.

Any advice, pointers at all would be much appreciated

Hope to hear from you soon

Thanks
Brad :)
Just as your position has changed, so has Spain's!

My advice would be to read and listen to all you can about Spain and what's happening here at the moment. Here are some pointers
A long thread that you might want to start from the end and work backwards
http://www.expatforum.com/expats/sp...8126-economic-employment-situation-spain.html

Recent news
http://www.expatforum.com/expats/sp...spain/112230-news-about-spain-may-2012-a.html

If you still want to come after looking at that lot I'd say come over a few times and and suss out the job market and also look for jobs in the UK on the usual sites as most of them are international too, but do not come with out a job to go to. Also check out what you need in the way of finances and healthcare as this is changing at the moment.
 

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Last year the Canary Islands were having a surge in tourism and pulling out of recession, this may have been partly due to the troubles in North Africa, unemployment was falling.

This year due to the austerity measures, unemployment is once again rising, there is an average figure of 30% unemployed. So unless you have skills that the unemployed do not possess and have good language skills in English, Spanish and German, then because you are a foreigner you will be somewhat disadvantaged.

Having said all that, people do keep bucking the trend. I would suggest a fact finding trip to one of the larger Islands, Gran Canaria perhaps, the south of the Island has the main tourist trade, and in the north the Capital Las Palmas de G.C. is a vibrant city. Whatever you do don't give up your job in England until you have secured a good position here.

I wish you luck, you will need some.
 

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Hi guys,

I posted a thread around a year ago now, but my situation has changed and therefore i need infomation and a bit of advice on my plan.

Im 24 years old and live and work in Preston, lancashire, England. I am an e-communications specialist but have been working in finance for the last two years. I have a modern apprenticeship in business admin, and i am level 2 AAT (accounting and finance) qualified.

I am looking to move to Spain around this time next year. I will have saved up around 8 thousand pounds in this time.

I am willing to take on any kind of work that will cover my cost of living over there. I have been looking at the Canary Islands but could do with a bit of advice on places that you would recommend/not recommend and what the current/predicated work climate is predicted for next year, whether it will be difficult for me to find work or not?

I would be looking for maybe a kind of touristy area, with a lively atmosphere all though this is not nessecary as i am looking for a perminant move not just a summer job.

Any advice, pointers at all would be much appreciated

Hope to hear from you soon

Thanks
Brad :)
Why? Your best bet would be to just make lots of visits to Spain and have mini holidays - dont give up your UK job!

Jo xxx
 

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You will find it very difficult indeed, if not impossible, to find a secure, or indeed any, job in the Malaga Province and I suspect in most regions and provinces of Spain.
Almost six million Spaniards, some of them with your qualifications but obviously Spanish-speaking, are looking for work.
Please don't take this personally, I say this to everyone who posts asking about work: don't you think that if there are any jobs going, they should go to Spanish people?
The UK has a generous welfare safety net for the unemployed and their families. Spain doesn't.
That's why every British immigrant I know chooses to use Spanish shops, services and other businesses and to employ Spanish people as gardeners, cleaners and suchlike.
I also don't think that £8k is enough to live comfortably for more than six months or so. Factor in rent, utilities, food, fuel, tv/internet, transport, insurances and all the other things you need money for...new clothes, car tax and repairs, entertainment..
You have work in the UK. You are lucky. One in three Spaniards, possibly more, in my area are jobless.
Things are bad enough now but they could get much worse. There will probably be no improvement for at least five years - some economists predict a longer period before recovery and even then it won't be like it was five years ago.
The 'Spanish dream', whatever that means, is dead and buried. It killed itself by overconsumption.
 

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Thank you for your comments. I think i may need to do a bit more research, wasn't much positive feedback there. You say there are so many jobless spaniards, and mention about the amount of jobless people in the UK, yet i have never been with out a job in the UK and really don't see how people can't find a job, there are plenty of jobs but people choose not to take them as they aren't to their specific skillset.

I won't be giving up my job in the UK and just coming over, i would try and look for a job first or make a few contacts before coming over. I guess i will have to look online. I just wish for a more laid back, better climate way of life. Maybe spain is the wrong place to look?

I was planning on enrolling on a spanish speaking course later this year so in a years time i will have jopefully picked up the basics! Maybe you're right with a visit over sometime earlier next year and view a few areas myself.

Thanks for your pointers :)
 

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Thank you for your comments. I think i may need to do a bit more research, wasn't much positive feedback there. You say there are so many jobless spaniards, and mention about the amount of jobless people in the UK, yet i have never been with out a job in the UK and really don't see how people can't find a job, there are plenty of jobs but people choose not to take them as they aren't to their specific skillset.

I won't be giving up my job in the UK and just coming over, i would try and look for a job first or make a few contacts before coming over. I guess i will have to look online. I just wish for a more laid back, better climate way of life. Maybe spain is the wrong place to look?

I was planning on enrolling on a spanish speaking course later this year so in a years time i will have jopefully picked up the basics! Maybe you're right with a visit over sometime earlier next year and view a few areas myself.

Thanks for your pointers :)
Sorry :( . Its worth knowing that the UK has a much easier welfare system, that they dont have in Spain.

Jo xxx
 

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Thank you for your comments. I think i may need to do a bit more research, wasn't much positive feedback there. You say there are so many jobless spaniards, and mention about the amount of jobless people in the UK, yet i have never been with out a job in the UK and really don't see how people can't find a job, there are plenty of jobs but people choose not to take them as they aren't to their specific skillset.

I won't be giving up my job in the UK and just coming over, i would try and look for a job first or make a few contacts before coming over. I guess i will have to look online. I just wish for a more laid back, better climate way of life. Maybe spain is the wrong place to look?

I was planning on enrolling on a spanish speaking course later this year so in a years time i will have jopefully picked up the basics! Maybe you're right with a visit over sometime earlier next year and view a few areas myself.

Thanks for your pointers :)
everyone I know who has returned to the UK to look for work has found it - yet as you say there are unemployed people there - maybe the fact that you won't be left homeless & starving there has something to do with it? Unemployment doesn't mean 'no income'

but there really aren't jobs here in Spain - unemployment here eally DOES mean 'no income' for a huge number of people - what benefits there are, are time limited

do you not think that they would rather be employed, than have no income at all?
 

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Being left starving and homeless wouldn't ever be an option for me, i would work any job for any income if it put a roof over my head and food on the table, it's called drive and ambition.

I will do a bit of research then and try to secure a job before i come over, my experience and qualifications must count for something. I'll get looking online and try to arrange a visit over for early next year and see things for myself.

Thanks again for your comments :)
 

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Thank you for your comments. I think i may need to do a bit more research, wasn't much positive feedback there. You say there are so many jobless spaniards, and mention about the amount of jobless people in the UK, yet i have never been with out a job in the UK and really don't see how people can't find a job, there are plenty of jobs but people choose not to take them as they aren't to their specific skillset.

I won't be giving up my job in the UK and just coming over, i would try and look for a job first or make a few contacts before coming over. I guess i will have to look online. I just wish for a more laid back, better climate way of life. Maybe spain is the wrong place to look?

I was planning on enrolling on a spanish speaking course later this year so in a years time i will have jopefully picked up the basics! Maybe you're right with a visit over sometime earlier next year and view a few areas myself.

Thanks for your pointers :)
Up until 2009 I think most people who came to Spain could get a job, not necessarily exactly what they were looking for, but something. I think that has completely changed now, and would say that most people won't get a job.
Of course there will always be some who do, and with a combination of charm, luck and contacts who knows what might happen? But unfortunately what will happen to 99% of those people is that they will not find work - as simple as that. I would add that among the 5 million plus Spaniards I think they'll be a fair few who have charm, luck and contacts - and most of them also speak Spanish.
You can't compare the UK to Spain, you just can't. Over 25% of the population are unemployed - in the UK it barely reaches double figures. There's constant talk of civil servants being made unemployed which includes hospital workers for example so healthcare is being compromised. Education cuts are being made etc etc and all of this eventually effects everyone - even if you are a healthy single young male!
If you want to come and try, come on over, your money will be more than welcome, but I just wonder why. Presumably you'll want to improve your life, and I wonder if you'll be able to do that in Spain? So think the question you ask, that maybe Spain is the wrong place to look, may be your answer.
PS If you still want to look, the gaming industry in Gibraltar seems to be growing...
 

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Being left starving and homeless wouldn't ever be an option for me, i would work any job for any income if it put a roof over my head and food on the table, it's called drive and ambition.

I will do a bit of research then and try to secure a job before i come over, my experience and qualifications must count for something. I'll get looking online and try to arrange a visit over for early next year and see things for myself.

Thanks again for your comments :)
Brad
My daughter's boyfriend would work at anything if he could. It's not called drive and ambition - it's called desperation. This is not the UK where you get a handout no matter what. It's Spain, where people need to work 'cos if they don't, they don't have anything.
 

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Ok Pesky, thanks for your inspirational advice
She's telling it like it is, sadly. 'Drive and ambition' don't by themselves get you anywhere if there are no opportunities to apply these virtues to. People in Spain have drive and ambition, they speak Spanish, some have had highly paid professional jobs...which they've lost not because they lacked 'drive and ambition' but because the economy is screwed.
Don't you think those five and a half million unemployed Spaniards would do anything to keep a roof over their heads? I wonder what the tens of thousands who have 'lost the roof over their heads' because they are unemployed and there is no work would think of your comment.... People are losing their homes, Brad. Families are living off granny's pension. It's as bad as it can get...except it will get worse.
I cannot understand why so few people in the UK seem to understand how bad things are here.
No-one should think about coming to Spain unless they are retired with a good income, have a secure job or can work from anywhere in the world.
 

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We are sticking an extra fiver on our weekly shop to buy basic food which we drop off at the local Ayuntamiento to help families (Spanish and immigrant) in this area who can’t even afford to feed themselves…… yes, it’s that bad.

I would have thought that possible starvation is a perfect motivator for any amount of “Drive & ambition” but if there’s nowhere to channel said qualities i.e. a job, then basically, over here, you’re in the sh!t

All we can do is tell it how we see it…… how you use that information is up to you.




Doggy

p.s. Sorry if that's a bit blunt but I'm a geordie & we don't do tact.
 

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Ok Pesky, thanks for your inspirational advice
As this is a written forum it's sometimes difficult to gauge the tone that is being used, but I'm taking this comment as sarcasm.

I'd love to be inspirational, but I stop at being stupid. You can be as optimistic as you like, but you'll get nowhere if you're not realistic too, and when you write things like

my experience and qualifications must count for something
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i would work any job for any income if it put a roof over my head and food on the table, it's called drive and ambition.
well, that's not Real Spain any more.

However, like I say, come over and scout out areas and look online and see what you can get job wise. You never know, there's always someone who gets lucky. That is of course if it's just you. If you've got other family members to worry about then I wouldn't risk it.

BTW, if you come on to a forum and ask people for pointers and advice, that's what you'll get, even if it's not to your liking!

Note to self - Always ask if poster really wants advice or if they've already made their mind up about what Spain is like.
 

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We are sticking an extra fiver on our weekly shop to buy basic food which we drop off at the local Ayuntamiento to help families (Spanish and immigrant) in this area who can’t even afford to feed themselves…… yes, it’s that bad.

I would have thought that possible starvation is a perfect motivator for any amount of “Drive & ambition” but if there’s nowhere to channel said qualities i.e. a job, then basically, over here, you’re in the sh!t

All we can do is tell it how we see it…… how you use that information is up to you.




Doggy

p.s. Sorry if that's a bit blunt but I'm a geordie & we don't do tact.
some of the shops around here have collection boxes where you can put non-perishable food into for collection by Caritas & another local charity to give out to the needy families in the town

a few months ago they would be overflowing on a daily basis......... but not so much now
 

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Ok Pesky, thanks for your inspirational advice
Hi brad, my husband is spanish he has 4 other brothers and sisters, they all have degrees/masters but only one has a job. Says it all really. Weve given ourselves another couple of years here then if it still hasnt picked up we will go back.
 

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Hi Brad, Why not go to a country that has opportunities to make some serious money. If you could get a job in the Canadian oil patch, working long often cold conditions you could earn enough to buy property in Spain for cash. The currency is very strong, good sound fiscally responsible government and they speak the same language. If not there then someplace in the middle east. The only folk with any change in their pockets in Spain are the ex pat pensioners who content themselves with booze, food and adult diapers. Put your dream on hold for awhile earn some worthwhile smack then live your Spanish dream. Go for it!
 
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