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Can't get S1 for early retirement

I also am an English teacher. Although based on some of my posts on here you'd be hard pressed to believe it!

I am working because

I get health care as autonomo ( as does my husband) for € 280 pm but more importantly we will get healthcare when we retire as we will apply for our Spanish pension first topped up by our U.K. State. As don't believe the U.K. will fund future retirees healthcare however old you are. They don't fund outside the EU so no shock there
It would serve May's Brexit government right, if all those Brit's coming up to retirement in Spain or already retired to Spain
but ( for one reason or another ) will be ineligible for State funded healthcare in Spain, once the UK pulls the purse
strings after leaving the EU ( if it should come to that ??? )

Simply up sticks and moved back to the UK en-masse, to become an even bigger burden on the UK's already overstretched
NHS & other Health care systems.
 

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It would serve May's Brexit government right, if all those Brit's coming up to retirement in Spain or already retired to Spain
but ( for one reason or another ) will be ineligible for State funded healthcare in Spain, once the UK pulls the purse
strings after leaving the EU ( if it should come to that ??? )

Simply up sticks and moved back to the UK en-masse, to become an even bigger burden on the UK's already overstretched
NHS & other Health care systems.
I think the idea of the Brexit clique is that there is no NHS by then - thus sorted!
 

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I think the idea of the Brexit clique is that there is no NHS by then - thus sorted!
Yes I feel like Corporal Fraser from Dad's Army - Who would no doubt say, forget the £350 million pounds that
the UK would save to give to the NHS, as The NHS is doomed, doomed - I tell you !!!
 

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It would serve May's Brexit government right, if all those Brit's coming up to retirement in Spain or already retired to Spain
but ( for one reason or another ) will be ineligible for State funded healthcare in Spain, once the UK pulls the purse
strings after leaving the EU ( if it should come to that ??? )

Simply up sticks and moved back to the UK en-masse, to become an even bigger burden on the UK's already overstretched
NHS & other Health care systems.
It would certainly improve Malaga hospitals waiting lists which are lengthening. There must be a lot of Brits in the system.


Así está la lista de espera quirúrgica en hospitales públicos de Málaga | Diario Sur
 

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It would certainly improve Malaga hospitals waiting lists which are lengthening. There must be a lot of Brits in the system.


Así está la lista de espera quirúrgica en hospitales públicos de Málaga | Diario Sur
They're so bad, apparently, that the worst performing hospital (Carlos Haya) has an average waiting time of 86 days (ie less than 3 months) for surgery where the target time is 180 days, and has reduced their average waiting time for surgery where the target time is 120 days from 62 days to 52 days.

The other main hospital in Málaga capital, Clínico Universatorio, has average waiting times of 49 days for 180 day target surgery and 34 for 120 day target surgery. That seems very good to me, and the article point out that this particular hospital has achieved substantial reductions in waiting times in the past year.

I think it's good that the Andalucian Health Service publishes such detailed and transparent figures.
 

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They're so bad, apparently, that the worst performing hospital (Carlos Haya) has an average waiting time of 86 days (ie less than 3 months) for surgery where the target time is 180 days, and has reduced their average waiting time for surgery where the target time is 120 days from 62 days to 52 days.

The other main hospital in Málaga capital, Clínico Universatorio, has average waiting times of 49 days for 180 day target surgery and 34 for 120 day target surgery. That seems very good to me, and the article point out that this particular hospital has achieved substantial reductions in waiting times in the past year.

I think it's good that the Andalucian Health Service publishes such detailed and transparent figures.
Doing well if you consider the budget cuts and accept the figures unquestionably. I f you understand Spanish and follow the news many Spaniards don't including the TUs.

I expected someone to come on to give figures of expat use. I did find this very elightening. Says Andalucia spends €1000 pa per person but the UK pays around €3000. In the last few paras with the subtitle sin asistencia de Los britanicos it estimates they receive ten million euros from UK.

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espa...luza-listas-de-espera-caos-urgencias_1254792/
 

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Doing well if you consider the budget cuts and accept the figures unquestionably. I f you understand Spanish and follow the news many Spaniards don't including the TUs.

I expected someone to come on to give figures of expat use. I did find this very elightening. Says Andalucia spends €1000 pa per person but the UK pays around €3000. In the last few paras with the subtitle sin asistencia de Los britanicos it estimates they receive ten million euros from UK.

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espa...luza-listas-de-espera-caos-urgencias_1254792/

Interesting that Andalucia receive less than some other Regions, however, without any stats to back it up, I am sure that there are many UK pensioners that receive far more than the average 1,000 euros per person quoted. However the 10 million euros received from the UK seems small in comparison to the 350 million euros promised to the NHS by Boris Johnson today.
 

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Doing well if you consider the budget cuts and accept the figures unquestionably. I f you understand Spanish and follow the news many Spaniards don't including the TUs.

I expected someone to come on to give figures of expat use. I did find this very elightening. Says Andalucia spends €1000 pa per person but the UK pays around €3000. In the last few paras with the subtitle sin asistencia de Los britanicos it estimates they receive ten million euros from UK.

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espa...luza-listas-de-espera-caos-urgencias_1254792/
The El Confidencial article says:-

"La Consejería de Sanidad recibió 22,6 millones de euros para cubrir la asistencia a extranjeros desplazados de forma temporal. Como se paga por procedimiento médico y no por persona, es difícil tener un coste exacto, pero aproximadamente la mitad de esta partida, más de 10 millones de euros, se fue al colectivo británico. La Junta asistió a unos 60.000 extranjeros del Reino Unido el pasado año."

As it refers to costs being charged per medical procedure and not per person, and to people "desplazado de forma temporal", this expenditure obviously refers to treatment of people under the EHIC scheme rather than residents with S1s-

Andalucia may spend only €1k per person on average, but as I'm sure you know from UK figures the treatment of the over 65s costs the health service far more than the treatment of younger people, and the UK Government only funds the state healthcare of British pensioners in Spain not younger working or early retired people.
 

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" 350 million euros promised to the NHS by Boris Johnson today."
You need to actually listen to what he said and not what the idiot press reported. The UK 'gives' to the EU £350 million a week and the EU then gives some of that back - but it tells the UK where and how to spend it. Boris quite rightly says that therefore this 'rebate' is not UK money as it doesn't belong to the UK.
He actually said 'Wouldn't it be nice if some of that was spent on the NHS? Doesn't sound like a promise to me but probably did to the wet behind the ears researcher who googled it.
 

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" 350 million euros promised to the NHS by Boris Johnson today."
The UK 'gives' to the EU £350 million a week and the EU then gives some of that back - but it tells the UK where and how to spend it.
I know we went through all this prior to the referendum vote, so it's disappointing to see if still being trotted out. The UK rebate is never actually paid to the EU so no, they don't give some of it back.

And the EU does not tell the UK where and how to spend it. The UK Government decides how and where to spend EU funds which are allocated to it (as does the Spanish Government). See this link, and particularly the words "In view of this the UK Government has decided to re-allocate EU structural funds ....".

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/allocation-of-eu-structural-funding-across-the-uk

When an organisation in the UK wants to apply for EU Social Fund grants, for example, they don't submit their funding bid to some office in Brussels. It goes to whichever UK Government Department has devolved responsibility for making the funding decisions - the Home Office, in the case of the voluntary organisation I used to work for and was closely involved in putting together funding bids and submitting the regular monitoring reports ehich are required if the application is successful. All the EU does is decide on the broad policy areas which funding should be directed to, and it is then up to member state governments to divide up the amount of funding they are allocated under the various streams.
 

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The El Confidencial article says:-

"La Consejería de Sanidad recibió 22,6 millones de euros para cubrir la asistencia a extranjeros desplazados de forma temporal. Como se paga por procedimiento médico y no por persona, es difícil tener un coste exacto, pero aproximadamente la mitad de esta partida, más de 10 millones de euros, se fue al colectivo británico. La Junta asistió a unos 60.000 extranjeros del Reino Unido el pasado año."

As it refers to costs being charged per medical procedure and not per person, and to people "desplazado de forma temporal", this expenditure obviously refers to treatment of people under the EHIC scheme rather than residents with S1s-

Andalucia may spend only €1k per person on average, but as I'm sure you know from UK figures the treatment of the over 65s costs the health service far more than the treatment of younger people, and the UK Government only funds the state healthcare of British pensioners in Spain not younger working or early retired people.
For the first five years we were here neither myself or OH availed ourselves of the health service of the JdA. In the past five years I've had double cataract surgery and treatment for cardiomyopathy, OH has had surgery for melanoma.
The CdS Hospital gives patients a notional bill when treatment has been satisfactorily completed. My cataract ops cost less than 1000 euros. Don't know about the cardio as after a lot of tests when the problem was first detected I now have a yearly thorough check.

I've had to use the ambulance and urgencias twice and rarely see my local GP, only when I need to get my prescription renewed.
So all in all the pair of us is costing thr JdA less than they received.
 

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I am confused, the J de A is said to spend €1000 pa per person (in the North it's €1500) yet I remember reading that the UK pays €3500 to Spain for each pensioner.:confused:

Impossible to get a real figure as to how much is spent to what is paid out. Many do still go back to UK for treatment as they want to be in familiar surroundings. Others move back if they become seriously ill. Then there are many Pensioners who claim to have private health care. When I looked and found the article above there was quite a lot of Spanish articles that implied Spain gives free health care to British, German etc. Pensioners.

I did read below the Sur article a Spaniard saying it wasn't true as his wife had waited 100+ days. Although he could be lying, as could those who claim to be in and out in a couple of weeks...we shall never know
 

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Where is the NHS going, please enlighten me :rolleyes:
The NHS is, quite rightly, a sacred cow to the British public. No government would dare abolish it in favour of total privatisation.
I think what worries the public is the creeping privatisation of some services as well as funding and structuring.
The NHS is facing challenges such as an ageing population, in some areas pressure from immigration and the cost of new technology and new procedures and treatments.
My view is that we should all be encouraged to look after our own health and general wellbeing as far as possible and that if people want an all- encompassing health service free at the point of use, funded from general taxation as was the aim of its founder then they must be prepared to contribute to that taxation.
When we have a more fair and equitable taxation system, people may be prepared to do so without complaint.
A fair system imo. would be one which is progressively banded and which restores taxes on those earning over £250k to the pre Thatcher level.
 

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I am confused, the J de A is said to spend €1000 pa per person (in the North it's €1500) yet I remember reading that the UK pays €3500 to Spain for each pensioner.:confused:

Impossible to get a real figure as to how much is spent to what is paid out. Many do still go back to UK for treatment as they want to be in familiar surroundings. Others move back if they become seriously ill. Then there are many Pensioners who claim to have private health care. When I looked and found the article above there was quite a lot of Spanish articles that implied Spain gives free health care to British, German etc. Pensioners.

I did read below the Sur article a Spaniard saying it wasn't true as his wife had waited 100+ days. Although he could be lying, as could those who claim to be in and out in a couple of weeks...we shall never know
I think there is a lot of confusing and misleading information published in both the Spanish and British media about these issues. As you say, many Spanish sources imply that Spain gives free health care to foreign pensioners, whilst the British media makes much of how many millions of pounds the UK pays to Spain for healthcare without making clear how much of that relates to treatment provided for tourists under the EHIC scheme.

As the waiting times publicised by official sources are averages, naturally there will be those who have waited longer, just as there will be those who were treated more quickly than the average. After all, that's how averages are arrived at, no?
 

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I know we went through all this prior to the referendum vote, so it's disappointing to see if still being trotted out. The UK rebate is never actually paid to the EU so no, they don't give some of it back.

And the EU does not tell the UK where and how to spend it. The UK Government decides how and where to spend EU funds which are allocated to it (as does the Spanish Government). See this link, and particularly the words "In view of this the UK Government has decided to re-allocate EU structural funds ....".

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/allocation-of-eu-structural-funding-across-the-uk

When an organisation in the UK wants to apply for EU Social Fund grants, for example, they don't submit their funding bid to some office in Brussels. It goes to whichever UK Government Department has devolved responsibility for making the funding decisions - the Home Office, in the case of the voluntary organisation I used to work for and was closely involved in putting together funding bids and submitting the regular monitoring reports ehich are required if the application is successful. All the EU does is decide on the broad policy areas which funding should be directed to, and it is then up to member state governments to divide up the amount of funding they are allocated under the various streams.
You must have done the same job as me:) funded by the GLC I used to organise and run workshops for volutary groups on getting funding from Europe. Also monitored and supported projects. Yes the Gov and LAs did have the biggest say on applications but the criteria had to match that of Brussels. Most of the applications had to be part funded in the UK, hone office provided much of it. Many years ago but I think About a quarter had to come from statutory bodies.

Whatever, let's not forget it is /was our money and the U.K. Still pays in billions more than it receives for these projects. FWIW many grants were a waste of money, some of them downright fraudulent.
 
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