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OK this is the second "speech" that Snr Ibarra has made in as many weeks about the health care system here in Spain and the abuse of said healthcare system ....

What I find most disconcerting about this second speech are his comments about easy access to hospitals / surgery etc just be registering on the Padron - which is not the case. You cant register on the Padron without a fixed address or NIE number, and then you would have to register at the local health centre, and then they would refer you to a hospital if necessary for hip replacement or whatever ....

The figures he quotes for eu citizens not registered on the Padron in the Malaga region is 95% I cant believe it is this high ?

Also, the comment about xenophobia - surely he is contributing to the potential increase in this by his own speeches which seem ill informed and wrong anyway!

Just as a very very small straw poll here ..... how many of us on the forum is NOT registered on the Padron ? and using the health facilities ...

I know we are registered and always have been.

Sue :ranger: :confused:

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Hi Sue! Got Residencia, NIE, on Padron, haven't used health service yet, hope I don't have to for quite a while.
I can believe that a high percentage of immigrants don't observe the necessary formalities but a figure over 90% seems over the top...
 

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I'm registered and I have an NIE number! I havent used the health service and actually need to tonight as my daughter has a problem. We have private health care that covers us over here, but not for emergencies (not that we are having an emergency, but you kinow what I mean). So not sure how it will work out tonight???

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I think 90% is too high but if you consider that Torrevieja has only officially 938 Irish on the padrón well........

(For those that don't know Torrevieja and the Vega Baja have HUGE Irish populations)

Apparently, Torrevieja has only 12,000 Brits too! Mmmmmmm
 

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I'm registered and I have an NIE number! I havent used the health service and actually need to tonight as my daughter has a problem. We have private health care that covers us over here, but not for emergencies (not that we are having an emergency, but you kinow what I mean). So not sure how it will work out tonight???

Jo xxx
Yes, all fully registered here as well....and make as much use of the health service here as we did back in the UK....well, three kids, what can I tell you?!?!

By the way - it may be of interest to you Jo regarding the kids - as well as the checks I mentioned before for the Over 50s (not in your case obviously!!) which is an annual check up for free at the GP to do blood analysis, blood pressure, etc (a bit of a well person MOT check really) - with the kids, they have a paediatrician based at the surgery dedicated to simply that - paediatrics. Every 2 years they get a complete health revision as well, including any vaccinations that are due (eg. there's a meningitis one that the twins are due for when they hit 12 later this year). I believe these check ups go on until they turn 16 or 18.

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Yes, all fully registered here as well....and make as much use of the health service here as we did back in the UK....well, three kids, what can I tell you?!?!

By the way - it may be of interest to you Jo regarding the kids - as well as the checks I mentioned before for the Over 50s (not in your case obviously!!) which is an annual check up for free at the GP to do blood analysis, blood pressure, etc (a bit of a well person MOT check really) - with the kids, they have a paediatrician based at the surgery dedicated to simply that - paediatrics. Every 2 years they get a complete health revision as well, including any vaccinations that are due (eg. there's a meningitis one that the twins are due for when they hit 12 later this year). I believe these check ups go on until they turn 16 or 18.

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OMG not only can I be a sagalout soon, but I can get a geriatric MOT:eek:
 

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Yep !
Fully registered here too...use local health centre and cannot praise it too highly.
remind us about flu jabs....carry out annual MOT, etc, etc
 

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I'm registered and I have an NIE number! I havent used the health service and actually need to tonight as my daughter has a problem. We have private health care that covers us over here, but not for emergencies (not that we are having an emergency, but you kinow what I mean). So not sure how it will work out tonight???

Jo xxx
I've just come back from our local health centre and I'm blown away!! Having worked in the NHS in the UK.... No comparison! They were so efficient, polite, clean and helpful!! The receptionist even pretended that she understood my Spanish!!!! And the Doctor was gorgeous PHWOA!!! Follow up appointment on Thursday morning! :clap2::clap2:

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I've just come back from our local health centre and I'm blown away!! Having worked in the NHS in the UK.... No comparison! They were so efficient, polite, clean and helpful!! The receptionist even pretended that she understood my Spanish!!!! And the Doctor was gorgeous PHWOA!!! Follow up appointment on Thursday morning! :clap2::clap2:

Jo xxxx
I see a few imaginary ailments coming on!!!;):clap2:

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So to date in our very-mini straw poll we are 100% padron registration .... mmmmmmmmm
 

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Is anyone here going to admit it if they're not???!!!!:rolleyes:

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No!! However, I have a "hyperthetical" question. If someone goes to the local health centre and register under their new address... would they know that this persons padron is still in their old address, do they check ???????????????????????? "a friend" was just wondering????????????:eyebrows:

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No!! However, I have a "hyperthetical" question. If someone goes to the local health centre and register under their new address... would they know that this persons padron is still in their old address, do they check ???????????????????????? "a friend" was just wondering????????????:eyebrows:

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I think this "friend" may have a little leeway timewise if it's under the same ayuntamiento...but it's very quick to change this "friends" address!! And tbh, yes they can check, but by the time they get around to sorting out the paperwork, database, etc etc....:eyebrows:
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Hi there,
I have used my E111 card that I got from Ireland and had to pay nothing, I want to get health insurance here but not sure who to go with and also what is the average monthly cost of this? Also not sure I understand what you are saying about registering with my NIE etc, can someone explain?
Thanks :eek:)
 

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Hi there,
I have used my E111 card that I got from Ireland and had to pay nothing, I want to get health insurance here but not sure who to go with and also what is the average monthly cost of this? Also not sure I understand what you are saying about registering with my NIE etc, can someone explain?
Thanks :eek:)
Hi Irishgirl

If you live in Spain permanently you will have your NIE number, and presumably have registered on the Padron ? and also have a social security number ?

Once you have registered on the Padron you take all your paperwork to the local health centre to register with a Doctor there. This gives you access to the health care system, and obviously if you went to the docs and needed (I hope not!!) to be referred to the hospital they would do that in the same way as they do in the UK.

Are you working ? are you paying into the social security system ? it is your social security payments that go towards paying for state health care ... in which case you wouldnt need to (unless of course you preferred to) pay for private health care.

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I was sent this yesterday - I did not write it - it is copied and pasted BUT I hope adds to discussion

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THE SPANISH HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
During September of this year important changes were implemented for foreigners resident in Spain. It is therefore important to understand the effects these changes have on us all.
Spain has a public health system so health care is free or low cost provided that you are paying social security here or are in receipt of a UK state pension. As with many other countries, however, the public health service has waiting lists to see specialists and for non-urgent operations.
As a contribution based economy Spain will provide free medical treatment to British nationals whilst on holiday, but when you take up residence you have to pay the National insurance, currently €260 per month.
If you are in receipt of a British pension you are entitled to free care, as Spain is part of the EU, BUT as from September of this year, any foreigner who is not one of the above mentioned will not receive free medical assistance. It was recently reported that because Spain cannot afford to look after it's own people under the system, they have decided to STOP ALL treatment to foreigners. If you don't contribute, you don't get the benefits. The E111 is ONLY for use whilst on holiday and new systems in operation from September will ensure that this is the case! The EHIC/E111 allows reciprocal emergency health care during temporary visits to other EU countries. Strictly speaking it is not a permanent entitlement nor a full entitlement to all treatments available under each nations state health care systems.

If you do not qualify for public health care then it is essential that you have private health insurance. Even if you are under the public health care system it is still advisable to have private health insurance in order to skip the waiting lists and receive treatment quickly.

To learn more about the Spanish health care system or health insurance InsureExpats.eu - The Health Service In Spain
Kind regards
John McKenzie
 

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I was sent this yesterday - I did not write it - it is copied and pasted BUT I hope adds to discussion

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THE SPANISH HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
During September of this year important changes were implemented for foreigners resident in Spain. It is therefore important to understand the effects these changes have on us all.
Spain has a public health system so health care is free or low cost provided that you are paying social security here or are in receipt of a UK state pension. As with many other countries, however, the public health service has waiting lists to see specialists and for non-urgent operations.
As a contribution based economy Spain will provide free medical treatment to British nationals whilst on holiday, but when you take up residence you have to pay the National insurance, currently €260 per month.
If you are in receipt of a British pension you are entitled to free care, as Spain is part of the EU, BUT as from September of this year, any foreigner who is not one of the above mentioned will not receive free medical assistance. It was recently reported that because Spain cannot afford to look after it's own people under the system, they have decided to STOP ALL treatment to foreigners. If you don't contribute, you don't get the benefits. The E111 is ONLY for use whilst on holiday and new systems in operation from September will ensure that this is the case! The EHIC/E111 allows reciprocal emergency health care during temporary visits to other EU countries. Strictly speaking it is not a permanent entitlement nor a full entitlement to all treatments available under each nations state health care systems.

If you do not qualify for public health care then it is essential that you have private health insurance. Even if you are under the public health care system it is still advisable to have private health insurance in order to skip the waiting lists and receive treatment quickly.

To learn more about the Spanish health care system or health insurance InsureExpats.eu - The Health Service In Spain
Kind regards
John McKenzie
Steve, has'nt all of the above always applied ?
I may be missing something here but I see nothing that changes what was my perception of "entitlements" to foreign visitors. Perhaps someone can point out what has actually changed. Obviously something has but I don't see it.
 

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Having read the article again, perhaps the "changes" are the enforcement of the conditions of treatment rather than carte blanche to all and sundry.
 

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I've just come back from our local health centre and I'm blown away!! Having worked in the NHS in the UK.... No comparison! They were so efficient, polite, clean and helpful!! The receptionist even pretended that she understood my Spanish!!!! And the Doctor was gorgeous PHWOA!!! Follow up appointment on Thursday morning! :clap2::clap2:

Jo xxxx
I'm on the padron and registered with health centre, but don't make much use of it I'm VERY happy to say.:D
 
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