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Hi,

My husband (South African) and I (British) are relocating back to SA later on this year.

I will obtain a Spousal Visa and my husband does have a job to start when we get there.

I have just found out that I am pregnant and I am now not sure how to deal with the birth as I am not sure what the best way forward is.

I could obviously have the child here in the UK and then relocate after the birth. However, I think we would like to leave earlier than that and also I do not fancy the long flight with a new born baby.

I have heard that the public hospital facilities in SA are not so good and in any event I am sure I would not be entitled to use them being a non-South African.

I am therefore wondering if there is a private health care program that I can join (like BUPA in the UK) where I pay contributions now and which I can then use when I arrive in SA?

If anyone has any information that could be helpful I would be very very grateful.
 

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Whoowee! congratulations
bigggest benefit to child is the UK citizenship but as a UK Citizen I guess that's moot anyway, just register as a foreign birth.
Doubt any of the Medical Aids in SA are going to cover a pre-existing pregnancy in the time involved and you do NOT want to have the child in a SA Govt or Provincial Hospital.
its not the Staff as such, they are excellent its the post natal care you have to be concerned about.

You can probably get an idea of costs involved in a delivery with no complications from the various private clinics, but my advice would be to spend at least the last three months(or whatever the Airlines will allow you to fly) in the UK and have it there.
 

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A friend of mine had her baby (no medical aid) about 2 years ago and paid for it cash. It was a c-section at a private hospital and she paid in the region of about R12 000 I think. The problem is if there are complications the costs will wipe you out!

See if you can buy a hospital plan from an insurance provider that will take care of any complications over and above the normal delivery and just pay for the delivery yourself.

Good luck.
 

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Thanks for your replies. I have to have a good think about it. My husbands family is all obvioulsy in SA so I will see if they can find out if there are any hospital plans available. I would rather give birth privately in SA if at all possible as the standard of NHS hospitals here is a joke and private is far too expensive. R12,000 does not sound bad at all although it has probably gone up by now.
 

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I've just relocated to SA from the UK. I can tell you that you cant live over here without medical aid. Yes, its like BUPA, but there are a load of different plans that you can take depeding on your needs. We're a family of four (2 kids) and we pay R3200 every month which is pricy to say the least - and we dont have any specific medical needs... If you are pregnant then I would say your plan would be extortionate...I could be wrong. Have you had a baby in the UK? I had my first child in the USA where you have to pay and it was very nice, clean etc as you would expect. My second child I had four years ago on the NHS and I couldn't fault the standards at all. To me there was no difference between private and the NHS. My advice to you would be to have the baby in the UK then come over with him/her...its not that big a deal! I flew across the atlantic 3/4 times a year with my first one until he was around 5 yrs old. They stick them in a bassinet and the little ******s sleep the whole way. Air hostesses will take them off you for a cuddle if they're driving you nuts...it was no problem at all!
My saffa hubby has just looked over my shoulder and says you should make use of the NHS , its fantastic. Being born with a British passport is one of the most useful things a child can have...It'll still have SA rights because of your hubby.:D
Congrats BTW!
 

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Hi there,

Thank you so much for your reply.

Since my post I have already organised medical aid. It worked out at about R750 per month for my husband and I. A friend of ours works in medical aid in SA and he got us a really good deal taking into account my pregnancy. We have spoken to a few private hospitals and I will visit some of them when I get to SA to decide which one I like the best. The birth is not covered by medical aid but it only costs about R6,500 so it is not expensive at all (it can double if there are complications but even double is not bad).
I know that some people say that the NHS is really good but after 11 years here and numerous visits and stays in hospital I would rather opt for the private option.
My dream is to have my child in SA and it will be given a British passport anyway as I am British so it wont miss out on that.
I am so looking forward to our relocation to SA, a dream come true.
 

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Thanks for your replies. I have to have a good think about it. My husbands family is all obvioulsy in SA so I will see if they can find out if there are any hospital plans available. I would rather give birth privately in SA if at all possible as the standard of NHS hospitals here is a joke and private is far too expensive. R12,000 does not sound bad at all although it has probably gone up by now.
Excuse me - BUT my two sons were born in your joke - The NHS with all its faults is FREE for all and everyone gets good care, not just the wealthy. It also has an amazing record of successful deliveries and if there are complications there is no other place I would rather be due to all the resources they have.

"Prince Philips wife went private and after complications she was rushed a London NHS hospital where the baby and mother were saved"

A poster made the point that they will get a British passport which is something South Africa cannot provide.
 

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Dear Halo,

I am sure that your experience with the NHS was wonderful. My point is that it completely depends on where in the UK you live. Some NHS hospitals might be great but there are some that are absolutely horrible. The hospital which I 'belong' to and where I would have had to give birth was in the newspapers recently because of the state of it. It has been graded 'poor quality' by the health authority as its cleanliness was absolutely appalling and it is riddled with MRSA. So I am sorry if I offended you in some way but I am not going to expose myself and my newborn child to something like that. There might be lots of great hospitals around but from my own personal experience of almost 12 years in the UK and various hospital visist I have not encountered one of these hospitals.

The private hospital in SA where I am now going to give birth has an excellent record of cleanliness and so I feel reassured that I will get the best possible care for me and my child.

As previously stated my child will get a British passport automatically as I am British so it will not make a difference where I give birth.
 

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Dear Halo,

I am sure that your experience with the NHS was wonderful. My point is that it completely depends on where in the UK you live. Some NHS hospitals might be great but there are some that are absolutely horrible. The hospital which I 'belong' to and where I would have had to give birth was in the newspapers recently because of the state of it. It has been graded 'poor quality' by the health authority as its cleanliness was absolutely appalling and it is riddled with MRSA. So I am sorry if I offended you in some way but I am not going to expose myself and my newborn child to something like that. There might be lots of great hospitals around but from my own personal experience of almost 12 years in the UK and various hospital visist I have not encountered one of these hospitals.

The private hospital in SA where I am now going to give birth has an excellent record of cleanliness and so I feel reassured that I will get the best possible care for me and my child.

As previously stated my child will get a British passport automatically as I am British so it will not make a difference where I give birth.
MSRA in the birthing wards? Can you please post the article.
 

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As requested. Here are three articles on the subject.

BBC News - Dirty Essex hospitals prompt call for system reform

70 deaths at filthy Basildon University Hospital - mirror.co.uk

70 deaths at Basildon University Hospital : Patients neglected by nurses in a filthy, blood-spattered casualty unit, says report | Mail Online

I am a lawyer specialising in Medical Negligence and I've seen and heard enough to make up my mind on this particular issue and I know that I do not want to give birth at this particular NHS hospital.
 

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As requested. Here are three articles on the subject.

BBC News - Dirty Essex hospitals prompt call for system reform

70 deaths at filthy Basildon University Hospital - mirror.co.uk

70 deaths at Basildon University Hospital : Patients neglected by nurses in a filthy, blood-spattered casualty unit, says report | Mail Online

I am a lawyer specialising in Medical Negligence and I've seen and heard enough to make up my mind on this particular issue and I know that I do not want to give birth at this particular NHS hospital.
1. I still have not seen any article about MSRA in the birthing wards
2. Good old Essex :)
3. Have you read some of the peoples comments?

A private hospital in SA will be better than an NHS hospital in Basildon - Thats not in question - You have to compare eggs with eggs - You can always deliver in a private hospital in the UK.
 

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We have done lots of MRSA claims for that hospital. I cannot say that it is in the maternity ward but it spreads very easily and so if it is in one place in the hospital there is always a chance that it spreads to other departments.

Yes, Essex in a nutshell.

I would never be able to afford private in UK which is why I was over the moon that I can afford it in SA.

I do have friends who have given birth in the UK at NHS hospitals who says they are great so I agree that there are probably great ones, I just haven't experienced one and Basildon certainly is not one of them.
 

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We have done lots of MRSA claims for that hospital. I cannot say that it is in the maternity ward but it spreads very easily and so if it is in one place in the hospital there is always a chance that it spreads to other departments.

Yes, Essex in a nutshell.

I would never be able to afford private in UK which is why I was over the moon that I can afford it in SA.

I do have friends who have given birth in the UK at NHS hospitals who says they are great so I agree that there are probably great ones, I just haven't experienced one and Basildon certainly is not one of them.
Basildon is not a place I would chose to live in the UK.... Q: Seeing you need private medical in SA - Why did you not take out private medical in England when its loads cheaper in comparison... Then you would have the choice.

But in your case - Fly to SA - Have the kids and make sure you bring him/her back at some point to enjoy the real world.

All the best and good luck
Karl
 

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I agree, Basildon is horrible. We don't even live close to it. We live in a small village about 45 mins away but it is the nearest large hospital which is why we 'belong' to it.

We do have BUPA through my husband's work but I only realised once I became pregnant that it does not cover pregnancy and birth. Stupid of me and of course and once I realised, it was too late.

SA is a dream come true for both of us. My husband has not lived there for 11 years and misses his family a lot. We are really looking forward to being able to be with his family and for our child to be able to at least have one set of grandparents around as well as aunties, uncles and cousins. My husband comes from a very small town and we have been there many times and I absolutely love the way of life there.

My child will be able to make one trip to Europe each year to see his other grandparents. My father has set up a trust fund for the child so that we will be able to do this which is wonderful. It is of utmost importance to me that my child knows that the world is not just SA. Lord knows I've seen what that can do to a person.

I am very much looking forward to leaving the UK behind. It's been great but we need a change of scenery.

Saartjie
 

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SA is a dream come true for both of us. My husband has not lived there for 11 years and misses his family a lot. We are really looking forward to being able to be with his family and for our child to be able to at least have one set of grandparents around as well as aunties, uncles and cousins. My husband comes from a very small town and we have been there many times and I absolutely love the way of life there.
Saartjie
I've rarely heard that recently - SA and Dream come true in the same sentence... (seems a bit of an oxymoron) - All the best and I hope you'll be safe.
 

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Hi,

I am in the exact same situation as you are and therefore very interested in where you got the medical aid for R750 for yourself and your husband, taking into account the pregnancy. Would you be able to give me the name of your medical aid or maybe even the person who got this deal for you? That would be very helpful! Many thanks!!!
 

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Hello,

My wife and I are in a similar situation. I've been offered a job in SA and found out a week later that my wife is pregnant. (The new job provides no medicaid benefit). We are thinking about having the baby in SA but are worried about the costs of the procedure and whether an insurance coverage is possible. Did you have your baby in SA after all? We would be very grateful if you could please share some advice with us.

Thanks a lot.
 

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Fine!

My wife and I are in a similar situation. I've been offered a job in SA and found out a week later that my wife is pregnant. (The new job provides no medicaid benefit). We are thinking about having the baby in SA but are worried about the costs of the procedure and whether an insurance coverage is possible. Did you have your baby in SA after all? We would be very grateful if you could please share some advice with us.

To say I am absolutely repulsed by the crime epidemic in SA would be an understatement, I have friends shot and killed whilst shopping. I've been hiked myself and I don't think I actually know anyone doing my 16 years in South Africa that hasn't been robbed, burgled, raped, shot or hijacked (I am NOT exaggerating). BUT...... My wife and I took the decision to have our daughter at Kingsbury Hospital in Cape Town, it was cheap, efficient, caring and friendly. I can honestly say there is ZERO comparison between UK and South African health care. (OK you simply HAVE to go private in SA), but almost every Medi-Clinic is full of the latest tech, their staff are first class, and the prices are extremely reasonable. We now live in the UK, and I can very honestly say really miss SA health care. and the food, and the scenery, and the lifestyle, and the cost of living, and the game parks, and the wine and.......... just would never ever go back due to the stupidity of the unbelievable crime levels.
 

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You miss SA healthcare? HUH? Obviously you don't have private Medical (which is way cheaper than SA's) in the UK.

Cost of living.... Hell, I think you need to do those sums again. - Good luck.
 
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