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This article was written by Inma, restaurant manager at Hotel Molino del Santo, Benaojan near Ronda'

The properties of the Franco Family (the dictator) are innumerable and varied from Cortijos1 in the South of Spain
- Jimena de la Frontera - Up to Pazos2 in Galicia - La Coruña - not to mention the Statues of Abraham and Isaac – which form part of the Portico de la Gloria, in The Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela, among many other properties scattered throughout the Spanish geography that unfortunately have been acquired fraudulently in the regime
The most visible one is the “ Pazo de Meirás”.
The property better to say ownership of this Pazo is enjoyed by Carmen Franco Polo (daughter of the man responsible for the genocide) and the history of this property begins as follows:
After the death in 1921 of its proprietor “Emilia Pardo Bazán” – An Important Spanish Novelist - her heirs decided to donate the Pazo to a religious order in 1936 and it is not well known how, in 1938 the Francoist authorities in La Coruña decided unilaterally (of course) to offer it to Francisco Franco for his use and enjoyment as a summer residence.

it still seems incredible that this and many other properties remain in the hands of
the Franco family and that they pass from parents to children with impunity. Many people consider that they are not their legitimate owners as they have been stolen from both institutions and individuals, or the people, by an authoritarian and corrupt regime.

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I don't find it incredible at all. Why would his assets have been confiscated? Franco was never held to account or found guilty of war crimes. Nobody was. The agreement after his death was to forget that the atrocities were ever committed. No Truth & Reconciliation process in Spain, just olvido.
 

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I don't find it incredible at all. Why would his assets have been confiscated? Franco was never held to account or found guilty of war crimes. Nobody was. The agreement after his death was to forget that the atrocities were ever committed. No Truth & Reconciliation process in Spain, just olvido.
BUT now people are beginning to say "To hell with olvido let's get this sorted out" to whit, the excavation of many of the mass murder sites, many families to have closure on past events and disappearances, even if the guilty parties are no longer there to receive due punishment.
 

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BUT now people are beginning to say "To hell with olvido let's get this sorted out" to whit, the excavation of many of the mass murder sites, many families to have closure on past events and disappearances, even if the guilty parties are no longer there to receive due punishment.
Yes, the last PSOE (socialist) government passed the Law of Historical Memory to enable this. However the current PP (conservative) government have put all the funding on ice.

One good thing that is happening is the investigation of babies "stolen" by the Catholic Church, in collaboration with the fascists, i.e. removed from Republican parents so they could be brought up with the "right" values. There is a trial going on now in Cadiz, but the witnesses (mainly nuns) keep dying off.

Spain's Stolen Babies: When Nuns Took Babies From Parents
 

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Money stolen by modern politicians is not returned to its rightful owners.

"Loans" to Spanish banks are never repaid.

So why should we expect property stolen by Franco to be returned to its original owners.

I believe that the Spanish culture of "ownership" is different to most others, and although on a completely different level, an example of this for me was when I had a car stolen.
I reported the theft to the police, obviously, and after several weeks the car was found. The police called me and told me that I first had to go to the police station to withdraw the theft report and then I could collect the car from the compound.
So off I went. But I asked the policeman behind the desk why I had to withdraw the theft report. He looked at me with a blank face and said "Sir, we have found your car, you are getting it back", to which I replied "yes, but the theft still took place, if I withdraw the report, it will appear as if the car was never stolen and that no crime took place". Another blank face, followed by the remark "do you want your car back or not?". He did explain that if there was any damage to the car I could go back and report the damage, but that was kind of missing my point...
 

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Money stolen by modern politicians is not returned to its rightful owners.

"Loans" to Spanish banks are never repaid.

So why should we expect property stolen by Franco to be returned to its original owners.

I believe that the Spanish culture of "ownership" is different to most others, and although on a completely different level, an example of this for me was when I had a car stolen.
I reported the theft to the police, obviously, and after several weeks the car was found. The police called me and told me that I first had to go to the police station to withdraw the theft report and then I could collect the car from the compound.
So off I went. But I asked the policeman behind the desk why I had to withdraw the theft report. He looked at me with a blank face and said "Sir, we have found your car, you are getting it back", to which I replied "yes, but the theft still took place, if I withdraw the report, it will appear as if the car was never stolen and that no crime took place". Another blank face, followed by the remark "do you want your car back or not?". He did explain that if there was any damage to the car I could go back and report the damage, but that was kind of missing my point...
But you were missing his point: The police could not, themselves, change the report that it had been stolen. If you had driven it away without withdrawing the "theft report" you could have been picked up driving a vehicle "reported as stolen."
 

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I don't really have a view, just posted it for interest. Inma's use of words may have been lost in translation as she is Spanish.

Some Jews have been recompensed or had property and goods returned. A Polish uncle who survived being in a concentration camp used to claim he would own half of Poland if property confiscated from his Jewish family was returned. A bit of an exaggeration I think but he never got anything, died years ago. I think there is a similar situation in Cyprus when it was split. Politicians usually get first choice of the spoils:roll eyes:

In the case of the first example Inma wrote about it would be the Church to contest Franco family ownership.
 

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I don't really have a view, just posted it for interest. Inma's use of words may have been lost in translation as she is Spanish.

Some Jews have been recompensed or had property and goods returned. A Polish uncle who survived being in a concentration camp used to claim he would own half of Poland if property confiscated from his Jewish family was returned. A bit of an exaggeration I think but he never got anything, died years ago. I think there is a similar situation in Cyprus when it was split. Politicians usually get first choice of the spoils:roll eyes:

In the case of the first example Inma wrote about it would be the Church to contest Franco family ownership.
The difference of course is that after WW2 the Nuremburg Trials were set up to bring Nazi war criminals to justice and the Potsdam conference which required Germany to pay reparations to the Allies and the surviving Jews. Nothing similar happened in Spain because in most of the world Franco was regarded as a legitimate leader and the civil war was seen strictly an internal affair.
 

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BUT now people are beginning to say "To hell with olvido let's get this sorted out" to whit, the excavation of many of the mass murder sites, many families to have closure on past events and disappearances, even if the guilty parties are no longer there to receive due punishment.
It's true, it is one of the biggest political anomalies in Spain, with the granddaughter of Franco taking possessions that' gave away' to the dictator. One of the most talked about is the pazo de vieiras (leave you a report of the Spanish television explaining the subject)

La Xunta multa con 4.500 euros a la familia Franco por impedir las visitas al Pazo de Meirás - RTVE.es
 

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BUT now people are beginning to say "To hell with olvido let's get this sorted out" to whit, the excavation of many of the mass murder sites, many families to have closure on past events and disappearances, even if the guilty parties are no longer there to receive due punishment.
Yes, this today in Diario Público:

"Cuarenta y dos años después de la muerte del dictador Francisco Franco y del inicio de la Transición a la democracia,
el Ayuntamiento de Madrid ha aprobado una moción que insta al Gobierno de la ciudad ha acudir ante la Justicia
para que se investiguen los crímenes cometidos por la dictadura franquista contra los ciudadanos de la ciudad de Madrid."

Memoria histórica: Madrid aprueba acudir a la Justicia para que se investiguen los crímenes franquistas con el rechazo del PP | Diario Público
 

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Yes, this today in Diario Público:

"Cuarenta y dos años después de la muerte del dictador Francisco Franco y del inicio de la Transición a la democracia,
el Ayuntamiento de Madrid ha aprobado una moción que insta al Gobierno de la ciudad ha acudir ante la Justicia
para que se investiguen los crímenes cometidos por la dictadura franquista contra los ciudadanos de la ciudad de Madrid."

Memoria histórica: Madrid aprueba acudir a la Justicia para que se investiguen los crímenes franquistas con el rechazo del PP | Diario Público
The thing is, it doesn't matter what the Ayuntamiento approves, as long as there is public money behind it, the central government can stop it by intervening in its accounts.

Already this year, the central government has stopped (or tried to stop) 577 projects which were correctly approved at Ayuntamiento level.

I really can't see the PP allowing a left wing town hall to carry on as it wishes with this court case can you?
 

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The thing is, it doesn't matter what the Ayuntamiento approves, as long as there is public money behind it, the central government can stop it by intervening in its accounts.

Already this year, the central government has stopped (or tried to stop) 577 projects which were correctly approved at Ayuntamiento level.

I really can't see the PP allowing a left wing town hall to carry on as it wishes with this court case can you?
No ..... but one can always hope ...
 
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