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Thoughts on the best portable heating (as we are already in November here :rolleyes: ).

I'm looking at the Dyson Hot + Cold.

They cost about 500 notes and are supposed to heat (or cool) from 1 - 37 degrees, but I'm not sure how that will translate into room area, and heating my garden through the uninsulated walls. And the running costs for 1500W.

Anyone using one?
 

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I've got one of those - though we use it mainly for "cooling" (i.e. as a quiet fan).

It's nice for heating as it functions basically as a heating fan - i.e. blows warm air out into the room - and it's thermostat controlled so you can set it and when the desired temperature is reached it goes back to just being a fan again.

But it's definitely just a room heater. We've got it in the bedroom at present - though my original intention when buying it was to use it in the winter in my office, which can get pretty cool. (The bedroom has the chimney running through it which keeps it relatively warm during the night.)

Both rooms are fairly small - as French bedrooms tend to be. But I haven't really had to move it to my office since we got the new windows that don't leak cold air like the old ones used to.

The Dyson site has information available on the area or volume that the heating and cooling devices can serve (or at least copies of the user manual). They might have some stats that would help.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/15/dyson-hot-cool-am09-review-worlds-best-heater-fan

Is that it?

I can't find any tech specs on the Dyson website. It must be me but I can't find anything on the Dyson site. from what little information I can find it's just an electric heater.

That means expensive to run. Not going to handle a big room or very cold weather. 2KW at peak. Do you know what you're paying for electricity? Look for the KW price and for every hour the unit is on full blast it'll cost you 2x that.

It's also not exactly cheap. The price you quoted isn't much different than a 12K BTU LG or Samsung heat pump. Yes you'd have to add the cost of installation but unless you need something portable what you save on power will soon enough offset the installation cost.

OTOH if it's your only heat source there are even better heat pump units to consider for not a huge amount more money. To a certain extent you will always trade lower power bills for higher up front cost
 

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Have you considered a paraffin heater?

I have a paraffin heater, not one of those old smelly things but an electronic one, you can get odourless paraffin but I don't mind the smell :D , they only tend to smell a little when you first light them or when you turn it out, however, the new ones can be programmed to come on whenever you want, say a half hr or whatever before you get up and they also have a fan on them. Paraffin is not that expensive and it's not smelly as years ago. I live in Morbihan so it gets damp rather than really cold here and I have a woodburner which I light around 4.30pm and turn the heater off (which I tend to programme to come on before I get up) but if it gets too cold the heater and woodburner are adequate for my 52 m2 downstairs open plan badly insulated let's heat the street as well cob living room.

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Thoughts on the best portable heating (as we are already in November here :rolleyes: ).

I'm looking at the Dyson Hot + Cold.

They cost about 500 notes and are supposed to heat (or cool) from 1 - 37 degrees, but I'm not sure how that will translate into room area, and heating my garden through the uninsulated walls. And the running costs for 1500W.

Anyone using one?
I have one, though I seldom use it (a bit this morning and yesterday because it is either December or January here ;)). Other years I have used it a fair bit and not even noticed any increase in electricity use on my bills, but then my apartment is only 68 sq m and it heats or cools the whole of it if I leave the doors open. I am a bit of a fresh air fanatic though and I always keep at least one window or sliding door open, so perhaps I am not the average person anyway.
 

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Dyson have excellent marketing, and make attractive products a little different from the usual fare. But, other than their vacuum cleaners which do not use filters (and do not have as much suction) their major product differences are in form factor rather than function. (i.e. un-Bauhaus).

Keep in mind they haven’t yet figured out how to change the laws of thermodynamics. So, regardless of the power or fuel source, the heat output, is going to directly relate to the KW rating of the heater.

The important thing to consider when buying a heater is how well the heat is distributed throughout the coverage area. A fan is generally more effective than simple convection, and the power and design of a fan will impact its effectiveness and evenness of the heat distribution.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/15/dyson-hot-cool-am09-review-worlds-best-heater-fan

Is that it?

The price you quoted isn't much different than a 12K BTU LG or Samsung heat pump. Yes you'd have to add the cost of installation but unless you need something portable what you save on power will soon enough offset the installation cost.
Yes, or at least one in the same range.

It needs to be portable as I'm moving house soon.

Have you considered a paraffin heater?
No.:D

Doesn't it cause condensation?

I've got one of those - though we use it mainly for "cooling" (i.e. as a quiet fan).

But it's definitely just a room heater.
Think I'm going to be retreating into the one main room for the winter. :(


I have one, though I seldom use it (a bit this morning and yesterday because it is either December or January here ;)).
Yes, I've re-assessed our 8 degrees. It's December. :D



Thanks folks.

I've had to fire up the log burner this morning to try and defrost my toes.
The nightmare returns. Chopping, carrying, dust, cinders, smoke...

That 500 Dyson is starting to appeal.

I see they offer 14 days return on it so I might give it a whirl.
 

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Yes, or at least one in the same range.

It needs to be portable as I'm moving house soon.



No.:D

Doesn't it cause condensation?




Think I'm going to be retreating into the one main room for the winter. :(




Yes, I've re-assessed our 8 degrees. It's December. :D



Thanks folks.

I've had to fire up the log burner this morning to try and defrost my toes.
The nightmare returns. Chopping, carrying, dust, cinders, smoke...

That 500 Dyson is starting to appeal.

I see they offer 14 days return on it so I might give it a whirl.
No, my living room has enough 'giraffes' for ventilation :D :D :D

The only appliance I have that causes condensation is my gas hob.
 

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My Dyson heatercoller has a night setting, which I also use during the day when the rooms have reached the desired heat - it turns the fan way down so that it becomes pretty much a thermostat controlled heater (that's what I have it set on at the moment). But it seems a huge investment for Clickie, albeit it is easy to move from room to room and is great for the bathroom, where it also reduces the steam when showering.
 

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My Dyson heatercoller has a night setting, which I also use during the day when the rooms have reached the desired heat - it turns the fan way down so that it becomes pretty much a thermostat controlled heater (that's what I have it set on at the moment). But it seems a huge investment for Clickie, albeit it is easy to move from room to room and is great for the bathroom, where it also reduces the steam when showering.
Yes, it is EH. That's why I'm hesitating and want to be sure it's going to do the job.

It will save me a lot of man hours from stacking the log deliveries, chopping kindling, lugging wood about all day and cleaning the fire & room.

Part of the problem is trying to guess just how hard a winter we will get.
 

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Yes, it is EH. That's why I'm hesitating and want to be sure it's going to do the job.

It will save me a lot of man hours from stacking the log deliveries, chopping kindling, lugging wood about all day and cleaning the fire & room.

Part of the problem is trying to guess just how hard a winter we will get.
You should check out TL's suggestion. However, if you decide to go for the Dyson, buy it from a local store, not direct from Dyson - you will avoid a very long delivery time (at least it was very long several years ago) and the price locally is usually not higher, plu you have the store's initial warranty that then kicks over to the manufacturer's warranty. Check out stores like Leroy Merlin, the grandes surfaces and Boulanger, whatever is in your area. But you need to organse the log deliveries and do the stacking now anyway.
 

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Go for the logs AND get the Dyson. If you find that the winter ins't too cold and you can manage on the Dyson, you will have the logs for next year. We have a log burner with warm air ducts that feed into the rooms above plus the attic through which the void containing the chimney passes has a vent for warm air to keep that pretty warm s well.
 

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You should check out TL's suggestion.

But you need to organise the log deliveries and do the stacking now anyway.
Yes, I'm reading up on TL's heater.

Not fit enough to do the stacking & lugging. :eek:

Go for the logs AND get the Dyson. If you find that the winter ins't too cold and you can manage on the Dyson, you will have the logs for next year.
I can't afford both ways, Baldi.

It's nearly 200 € for a log delivery - and I won't be in the house next winter.

I'd planned to move before this winter, but best-laid-plans and all that.
 

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How big is the room?

If this is just for this winter why not get a common 2kw heater and save yourself hundreds?
To follow up NickZ's suggestion, I'd just add that there are two problems: one is getting heat into a room, the other is spreading it around. The two solutions don't have to be in the same appliance.

So a cheap convector heater such as this one (NB, just an example, I've got no experience of this particular heater) plus an ordinary fan (do you already have a fan? if not they are also cheap) will do the job.
 

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How big is the room?

If this is just for this winter why not get a common 2kw heater and save yourself hundreds?
Indeed there are many types of cheaper heaters that might do the job well, don't use much power, are portable, have a thermostat and can be left on all the time, from a simple radiateur bain d'huile, radiateur à intertie mobile, and many more. I would suggest going to a major store and seeking specialist advice based on room size, power usage, etc.

Oh and I think it is something that Clickie will likely need to be able to use when he moves into rented premises.
 

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Indeed there are many types of cheaper heaters that might do the job well, don't use much power,....
As noted before a kW is a kW is a kW. A kW of energy derived from the mains is exactly the same as a kW of energy derived from burning a log, pellets, paraffin, or oil. The difference is certain types of heaters will put some of that energy up the flue while others will keep it all in the room. That is a measure of the efficiency of the heater. But, speaking only about electric heaters, they are all pretty similar in efficiency. So, as noted above by @NickZ and @ToulouseRob, find a heater with a kW rating high enough to heat your room. But, at the same time, look for one with some type of temperature control... no sense in overheating the room and sending bigger checks to EdF.
 

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As noted before a kW is a kW is a kW. A kW of energy derived from the mains is exactly the same as a kW of energy derived from burning a log, pellets, paraffin, or oil. The difference is certain types of heaters will put some of that energy up the flue while others will keep it all in the room. That is a measure of the efficiency of the heater. But, speaking only about electric heaters, they are all pretty similar in efficiency. So, as noted above by @NickZ and @ToulouseRob, find a heater with a kW rating high enough to heat your room. But, at the same time, look for one with some type of temperature control... no sense in overheating the room and sending bigger checks to EdF.
A KW is a KW, of course, though there are heaters available, with thermostats, the draw less power (reduce the KW usage from the maximum) once the room reaches a certain temperature.
 
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