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On the news they are reporting on UK about the rise in the the Delta Plus variant and saying that there may be restrictions put in place to prevent its spread to Spain similar to those in Morocco.
 

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We here in the UK have three close family members and many acquaintances with Covid and the local schools are full of it. This was not the case until now.
...and to add, the numbers being hospitalised are low in relation to the numbers infected and most of those being hospitalised are unvaccinated.
 

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If the UK were one of the first countries to start to vaccinate then surely it will be the first to experience a wave of infections as the vaccine becomes weaker? If that is the case Spain and others countries will start to notice a steady upsurge in the coming months unless it manages to roll out an efficient booster campaign ( which the UK has failed to do).
 

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If the UK were one of the first countries to start to vaccinate then surely it will be the first to experience a wave of infections as the vaccine becomes weaker? If that is the case Spain and others countries will start to notice a steady upsurge in the coming months unless it manages to roll out an efficient booster campaign ( which the UK has failed to do).
The jury seems to be out on whether the cause of the UK increase is the total removal of any measures of mask wearing and social distancing or if it is beacause of the time lapse since mass vaccinations.
Most likely it is a mixture of the two.
Certainly Spain should be in a better situation because we are still wearing masks months after being vaccinated.
What is clear from the UK situation is that a one off vaccination is not a long term solution.
 

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The jury seems to be out on whether the cause of the UK increase is the total removal of any measures of mask wearing and social distancing or if it is beacause of the time lapse since mass vaccinations.
Most likely it is a mixture of the two.
Certainly Spain should be in a better situation because we are still wearing masks months after being vaccinated.
What is clear from the UK situation is that a one off vaccination is not a long term solution.
I agree no one is sure why the UK is doing badly( again) and you are right that it is probably a mixture of factors. What is for sure is that the UK government are not dealing with the situation at all well. Intially you couldn't keep ministers turning up on Sky News with the Union Jack congratulating themselves on how the UK had shown the world how to do it. Now it is very different. Boris is constantly thinking politics and not lives and health so yet again they draw red lines for the votes and once more lives are threatened. At least in Spain most people accept the government's response and ( apart from Ayusa) it gives Spain a much less political flavour to the situation.
 

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The jury seems to be out on whether the cause of the UK increase is the total removal of any measures of mask wearing and social distancing or if it is beacause of the time lapse since mass vaccinations.
Most likely it is a mixture of the two.
Certainly Spain should be in a better situation because we are still wearing masks months after being vaccinated.
What is clear from the UK situation is that a one off vaccination is not a long term solution.
But from what I'm hearing, nearly all the hospitalised cases are unvaccinated (mainly through choice).
 

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But from what I'm hearing, nearly all the hospitalised cases are unvaccinated (mainly through choice).
Yes, the majority are, but there are quite a few studies and reports that indicate that the vaccine is wearing off. Some of these date as far back as August and don't seem to come from the usual nutcase conspiracy theorists we hear from from time to time. They seem to have some credibility. Israel has also seen the need to give booster shots. Things aren't going to get better on their own.
 

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The ‘Covid-19 Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 42’ was published by the UK Health Security Agency (formerly Public Health England) on Thursday, 21st October 2021 and it shows that the vast majority of Covid-19 hospitalisations between September 20th and October 17th were among the fully vaccinated population.

This table from the report shows that the number of people presenting to emergency care with Covid-19 resulting in overnight inpatient admission who were not-vaccinated was 2,534, whilst a further 305 were partly vaccinated, and 4,486 were fully vaccinated.
Meaning between September 20th and October 17th, 65% of those hospitalised with Covid-19 were vaccinated whilst 35% were not-vaccinated.

 

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In raw numbers, more vaccinated people are hospitalised than unvaccinated but that is because the vast majority (90+%) have been vaccinated.

Exactly, was just pointing that out to the posters above one of whom wrote " But from what I'm hearing, nearly all the hospitalised cases are unvaccinated (mainly through choice)."

90+% vaccinated :unsure:

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Exactly, was just pointing that out to the posters above one of whom wrote " But from what I'm hearing, nearly all the hospitalised cases are unvaccinated (mainly through choice)."

90+% vaccinated :unsure:

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When the UK govt claims 90% vaccinated, what it means is 90% of over 12s vaccinated.

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Our World in Data compares like for like, ie percentage of the entire population for each country.
 

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This article sums it up - unvaccinated people are on average three times more likely to be hospitalised than vaccinated ones, and of course there are age differences (figures from the last three weeks).

In the oldest group - the over-80s - 141 people in every 100,000 unvaccinated people ended up in hospital with Covid compared with 54 in every 100,000 vaccinated people. In the youngest - the under-18s - four unvaccinated people in every 100,000 needed overnight hospital treatment compared with zero in the vaccinated group.
Covid: Why are UK cases so high?

Since vaccines are only around 90% effective there will always be a small number of hospitalisations among the vaccinated, but a Pfizer booster raises this to 95% according to latest stats from Israel.
 

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To be more accurate, 90+% of the most vulnerable groups - those most likely to be hospitalised - are vaccinated.

The important thing is that the vaccines are very obviously working.
 

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Everyone of course has the right to refuse the offers of free protection.
But it's easier to refuse vaccination when you know that if you get Covid there is a free safety net.

From another country section of this forum, here's what it's like to be somewhere where it ain't free.

The cost of Covid for the unvaccinated.

Apologies if it's already been posted on here, but I'm not about to wade through nearly 1500 posts.
 

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Everyone of course has the right to refuse the offers of free protection.
But it's easier to refuse vaccination when you know that if you get Covid there is a free safety net.

From another country section of this forum, here's what it's like to be somewhere where it ain't free.

The cost of Covid for the unvaccinated.
Do you really think anyone would refuse a vaccine on the basis of getting free treatment if they fall ill? I’ve heard all sorts of daft reasons but not that one!
 
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