If you are bored in Santa Fe, the most splendid suburb in DF, of all places, and need a bar where you can smoke cigars inside an enclosed structure during these days, you are not easily pleased. Personally, I prefer a seaside bar in Havana where you can smoke whatever you wish open to the Atlantic looking over a splendid crystal sea with splendid beaches being served 150 proof Cuban dark rum with limes by nearly naked nymphs resembling Carmen Maranda or maybe some really handsome young men in jockey shorts resembling Anthony Quinn in about 1950. Alas, we both must suffer from unacheivable goals. Time for a nap and perhaps a dream or two.Hi! Looking for a Cigar Bar in the Santa Fe, Mexico City Area. Not a bar with a outdoor area. A real cigar bar where I can go smoke inside. Also any good bar with live music top 40?
I appreciate your help cause I'm bored in this town.
It must have been a monumental task to move those millions of residents of Havana (the proper English spelling for an English forum) from the Florida Straits between the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean to Southern Cuba and the Caribbean Sea.La Habana is in the caribbean
I stand corrected on the spelling of Carmen Miranda but I do not recall designating the required nationalities nor political leanings of the sexy dudes and dudettes serving me the rum. My only requirement was really good rum and sexy bodies - male or female. These days as I approach my dotage, the quality of the rum is of utmost importance from whomever served.Carmen Miranda was Portuguese and Anthony Queen a Mexican
Before completion of the Arco Norte bypass from near the Michoacan /Mexico state borders to Puebla, we used to drive through Mexico City a good four times a year from Toluca through Santa Fe and Mexico City to Puebla and back to get from Jalisco to Chiapas where we maintain residences so I don´t think I am confused. Perhaps those with whom you have discussed Santa Fe dislike it because it is quite a controversial suburb. In my opinion, Santa Fe is a splendid, modern suburb with some exciting architecture but that doesn´t mean that is where I would live if I moved to Mexico City or environs but then that ain´t gonna happen.Santa Fe is not considered "the most splendid suburb in the DF" by anybody I know who is familiar with the D.F. I suspect you're confusing it with someplace else.
Then, I invite you to explore more of the D.F., and make a comparison. Because, Santa Fe is a relatively new area built on what was, largely, a dump. It's principally a location for corporate headquarters, and some expensive high-rise condominium buildings. The area is, almost entirely, less than 20-years old. I think most people in the D.F. would define the area less than the "most splendid suburb in the DF." But, each is left to his/her own definition. We've all had different experiences to compare against.I don´t think I am confused.
What can I say, Rey; your point is well taken and, perhaps my reference to Santa Fe as the most splendid suburb of the DF was a bit of hyperbole. My excuse is that, in recent years, that is, since we have established residences in far-flung Lake Chapala and the Chiapas Highlands, our experiences with Mexico City have been to drive through the megalopolis as efficiently and quickly as possible transitting from suburban Santa Fe over (mostly) expressways through Bosque de Chapultepec and what we deem the central city and out the east through the dismal suburban and exurban slums surrounding the city there until climbing the mountain to the Puebla Plain so our experience with various Mexico City suburbs is limited. It was always, after all, our goal on a motor journey from Chapala to San Cristóbal before the Arco Norte opened to make it from the lake to Orizaba in the first day negotiating the massive urban jungle in between and there was no time for delay in getting through the big city.For me Cognac and Tequila and early in the day Kahlua and Baileys. Santa fe is not bad, but to be one of the newest suburbs in the city it doesn't compare with likes of Taipai, Singapour, Makati, KL and the list just goes on and on. I was actually expecting a more modern, better planned suburb. Maybe I'm just spoiled for ever from all my travels.
Any way found a lovely house in los Encinos golf Club 15 min from Santa Fe on the way to Toluca, so Santa Fe will have to do for now.
Preaching down to others as if a pedant lecturing presumed kindergarteners does not establish effective communication and, as it happens, I am quite familiar with what Santa Fe is and was and understand its strengths and weaknesses as a commercial development there on the edge of a massive,tired and disorganized city of countless people, more grindingly poor than financially upwardly mobile . As a long time commercial banker dealing with many commercial real estate developers involved in developments similar to Santa Fe for many years in places as diverse as San Francisco, Los Angeles and Manhattan, I can get by on what I have learned from experience.Then, I invite you to explore more of the D.F., and make a comparison. Because, Santa Fe is a relatively new area built on what was, largely, a dump. It's principally a location for corporate headquarters, and some expensive high-rise condominium buildings. The area is, almost entirely, less than 20-years old. I think most people in the D.F. would define the area less than the "most splendid suburb in the DF." But, each is left to his/her own definition. We've all had different experiences to compare against.
Santa Fe is boring IMHO. If you like architecture, thats not where you go to get "wowed". You like looking at sky scrapers with big brand logos on them? If you really like architecture, go to Polanco, Condesa, Roma, or older parts of Del Valle that have not yet been violated by the new modern style.By the way, Longford, I meant to say before editing time expired that I appreciate your point of view and I certainly had no intention of waxing effusively about a Mexico City suburb such as Santa Fe just because it has some nice looking buildings along the way as one passes through town. No way I would live there if I moved to the city. You made some very vaild points and I give you credit for that. A forum with no challenges would be dull indeed.