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Buying commercial property??!!

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I'm in Marbella at the moment researching the low-end accommodation sector (ie:- 1* pensions/ hostals/ hotels) with regards to moving from Australia in the near future and getting into the business. I was wondering if the prices of such places (primarily the properties I mean, not the businesses) have dropped by much over the last year or two, and if so will they continue to drop? I know this is akin to asking about the length of the proverbial piece of string but I would still be interested to hear what people think.

With regards to buying a commercial property, I have also been told the following 'on the qt' by an apparently reputable source (a business broker operating here for a number of years):-what's important is the valuation of the property and not your income or indeed the income of the business. In assessing a commercial property for mortgage purposes the bank will take no more than a cursory look at the businesses trading history. Your finance broker or abogado is all important when it comes to applying for finance. The 'Spanish Way' is if you have the right contacts then they will use a 'tame' valuer to get the deal done. For example, on the face of it you aren't able to borrow more than about 60% to purchase the freehold of a commercial property- maybe 70% as an absolute maximum. However, if the property has, say, dropped in price by 50% over the last couple of years then there's every chance that the bank will still go off the older valuation (especially if it ties in with the valuation of the property that is listed in the Land Registry) and if they do then they will lend against that regardless of the price that you have agreed with the vendor. So effectively if a property is valued at one point two million euros but you agree a price with the vendor of 600,000, the bank will lend you 60% of 1.2 million- 720,000, which is more than enough to cover the purchase price plus costs!

I have spent quite a bit of time on google etc researching this whole thing and I have to say there's not very much information around at all about buying commercial property in Spain, whether from the banks or anywhere else. From my experience that leads me to believe that what I'm being told isn't as far off the mark as it may sound (and perhaps not off the mark at all). I'm starting to believe that plenty goes on here that's 'under the radar' and things can be accomplished if you know how the system works.

I'd be very interested to hear any feedback from anybody with experience of such matters 'on the ground'.
 
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Well I've done a few things over the last twenty or so years, in business, property and life in general.

For example:-

I spent 18 months researching the standalone car wash business in Brisbane and, in late-2002, I eventually found the right site. The business was advertised for $190,000 and the property for $600,000 (separate owners). I subsequently bought the business for $6,000 and the property for $550,000. It took me two months to get the 50k discount on the property as the owner was a very tough negotiator (he was rich then but he's a billionaire now and listed on the Australian Rich 200).

After a year I'd doubled the revenue so I sold the property for $1.1m and leased back the business. After two more years I'd doubled the revenue again, at which point I sold the business for $1,040,000.

I've bought and sold over twenty residential properties in the same period, in Australia, the UK and Ireland (for myself, not as an agent).

I've also written a business book and had it published, run a property buyers agency, been a partner in a financial services company and served in the French Foreign Legion, amongst other adventures!

I'm no Donald Trump or Mark Zuckerberg, however I've seen a lot of life and business in my 43 years and I believe that that's made me a reasonably competent businessman, one who operates impeccably but at the same time is not averse to trying to make the system work in his favour wherever possible.

Other than that I love Spain, it's my favourite country in the world (I've been coming here for thirty five years, ever since the mid-seventies when my folks used to spend the annual two weeks holidays in the Alay Apartments in Torremolinos!) and I'm determined to go into business here and- at the very least- be moderately successful.
 
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I read your other thread re a B&B concept. I know of a few that have opened and been successful, away from the coast and looking at people who want a quiet retreat rather than the busy beach syndrome. However, all three were run down properties that were reformed into large B&B concepts. Yes there is a hell of a lot that goes on under the radar - the black economy. I´m not advocating it but the people we´ve met here who run their own business say that however hard you try and avoin the black economy, you just can´t. In every process here there are always a lot of people involved who are trying to get their bit of money from the deal.
 
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The B&B thread was actually started by someone else- I just dug it up as it's related to what I'm looking at myself now. Re the black economy, yes it can be a negative of course but what I'm trying to establish is if it can also work in your favour, especially in the current climate.
 
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