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Hi, I'm Mike, 43, from Manchester England and have been living in Queretaro for the last 8 years, but the last 4 years have been without papers, i didnt renew my FM2. Basically i want advice about crossing the USA border for a weekend and then coming back and being given a 6 month tourist visa for Mexico, which i will then take to la migra and start the process again. Prefer to do it this way rather than them hitting me with a huge fine.

Is this possible ?, Wont they want some Mexican papers at the border when i enter the US ? or is my UK passport good enough to cross ?

Many thanks for any help,
Mike
 

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Hi, I'm Mike, 43, from Manchester England and have been living in Queretaro for the last 8 years, but the last 4 years have been without papers, i didnt renew my FM2. Basically i want advice about crossing the USA border for a weekend and then coming back and being given a 6 month tourist visa for Mexico, which i will then take to la migra and start the process again. Prefer to do it this way rather than them hitting me with a huge fine.

Is this possible ?, Wont they want some Mexican papers at the border when i enter the US ? or is my UK passport good enough to cross ?

Many thanks for any help,
Mike
If I were in your shoes, I would bite the bullet and talk to INM (Instituto Nacional de Migración) before leaving. I think your bigger problem is not how to leave Mexico without a valid immigration document. It is how to return.

If you fly out of Mexico, you need to check with Migración before they will let you board. If you walk out at one of the border cities, Mexico does not stop you at all. I don't know what happens when you drive out, never having done that.

However, when you try to return to Mexico, you seem to be planning to rely on Mexico not connecting you with your past immigration status. I don't know anything about the INM computer system, but, personally, I would not count on it having forgotten about me.
 

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You will be fined for not renewing, whenever you try to renew or obtain a new visa.
Under current rules, you cannot enter Mexico on a tourist permit and then change to a visa status.
To apply for a visa, you must apply at a Mexican consulate in your home country.
I think you really screwed up by not keeping your status current when you had the opportunity and are now an illegal alien.
 

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If you walk out at one of the border cities, Mexico does not stop you at all. I don't know what happens when you drive out, never having done that.

When you walk out of one of the border cities, you do just that, and are asked when you go through customs if you're bringing anything out, and what did you do in Mexico that day. Driving across is a whole different ball game, though. When you finally get to the CBP agent after crawling in line in your vehicle for 1+ hours, you'll probably get sent to secondary.

In secondary, they'll examine your vehicle with a fine tooth comb, a flashlight, knock on all of the sides, and pry open every compartment inside. Then they have you step out of your vehicle, so the dog can jump in, and after the dog is finished, they have you drive it through an X-ray machine. Plus, they try to tell you that your vehicle has problems. After they're done with all of that, provided they found nothing, you're told that you'll be out of there in a few minutes.

I'm in the process of moving to Tijuana, and because I have a van, I'm sent to secondary every time,. My last trip (Thursday), it took three hours to cross back into the US, and by the time I got back to San Diego, I was exhausted.
 

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Yes, this is a serious situation which should be corrected. The fine can be substantial, but arrest and expulsion for being in the country illegally is the more substantial/painful possibility. Since you're not a tourist, applying for permission to be in the country as one isn't applicable. My suggestion is that you consult an immigration attorney in Mexico.
 

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You will be fined for not renewing, whenever you try to renew or obtain a new visa.
Under current rules, you cannot enter Mexico on a tourist permit and then change to a visa status.
To apply for a visa, you must apply at a Mexican consulate in your home country.
I think you really screwed up by not keeping your status current when you had the opportunity and are now an illegal alien.
But i could stay as a permanent tourist ?, and go shopping in the states twice a year for example ?
 

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But i could stay as a permanent tourist ?, and go shopping in the states twice a year for example ?
You are a resident, not a tourist ... so talking about re-entering as a tourist is inappropriate for your situation. Also, too, there's the possibility that at some point, if you were to sneak back into Mexico as a tourist, someone entering the data into the database would discover your FM2 expired, you did not renew or surrender it as required and you had re-entered improperly.
 

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Many thanks for the replies :), i have to make few decisions, but i have noticed a theme happening and a big difference when i talk to Mexicans compared to when i talk to western foreigners, The Mexicans are always saying "Don't worry about it, anything is possible in Mexico", and the foreigners are advising me as if i was living in a Western country living with strict western rules (which of course i am in favour of), but the standards are not that high here and rule breaking is a daily occurrence. I have plenty of time to think about my next step, nobody seems in a rush to contact me, i even went into the immigration office last Xmas and told them i was illegal and they just said make another appointment but with my schedule i couldnt do it....Anyway, thanks again
 

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Many thanks for the replies :), i have to make few decisions, but i have noticed a theme happening and a big difference when i talk to Mexicans compared to when i talk to western foreigners, The Mexicans are always saying "Don't worry about it, anything is possible in Mexico", and the foreigners are advising me as if i was living in a Western country living with strict western rules (which of course i am in favour of), but the standards are not that high here and rule breaking is a daily occurrence. I have plenty of time to think about my next step, nobody seems in a rush to contact me, i even went into the immigration office last Xmas and told them i was illegal and they just said make another appointment but with my schedule i couldnt do it....Anyway, thanks again
I wouldn't rely for a solution to your problem on the advice of Mexican who've never had to deal with INM . You've lived here long enough to know that Mexicans will tell you whatever they think you want to hear, even if they have no idea what they're talking about!
 

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i would be perfectly happy to get my hands on a tourist visa (which i believe is possible even if through an unorthodox route) just so i can stop paying the police 200 pesos in the street once a month because i dont have ID on me. They will need to come up with another excuse for a bribe.
 

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i would be perfectly happy to get my hands on a tourist visa (which i believe is possible even if through an unorthodox route) just so i can stop paying the police 200 pesos in the street once a month because i dont have ID on me. They will need to come up with another excuse for a bribe.
Those are the kinds of things that can happen to anyone who chooses to live illegally in any country. Funny thing, I have a Mexican residence visa, which I never carry with me, but I never get stopped by the police.
 

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i would be perfectly happy to get my hands on a tourist visa (which i believe is possible even if through an unorthodox route) just so i can stop paying the police 200 pesos in the street once a month because i dont have ID on me. They will need to come up with another excuse for a bribe.
Living illegally in Mexico and paying bribes to police? This is spiraling out of control and my advice is to do the right thing. Get legal or they will escort you out if you do run across an officer that is honest and does not take a bribe (read: Doing their job)
 

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I ived in Mexico for 39 years and was never ever asked for identity papers in the street. I find that very odd.
I have lived here for a little over 3 and I have been asked about a dozen times. Not "in the street", but I have been asked by officials to show my "papers". I don't find it odd at all, but maybe thats because I have been asked a lot.

I DO NOT carry may passport with me. I DO carry my Visa Card, however. Imagine if you get hit by a stray bus or get mugged and left on the sidewalk bleeding and knocked out. Without some sort of identification that can tie you to your existence in the country, you could be John Doe and your family will never know your demise.

Get legal.
 

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The OP can correct me if I'm wrong.

But if I were a cop who wanted bribes, and I knew that Person X had no papers, I would stop him/her every.single.time I saw him/her.

And I'd tell my fellow bribe loving cops about this human cash machine, too.

Could it be that's the case, here?
 

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Living illegally in Mexico and paying bribes to police? This is spiraling out of control and my advice is to do the right thing. Get legal or they will escort you out if you do run across an officer that is honest and does not take a bribe (read: Doing their job)
Connorkilleen, I fully agree with you!

Message: In Mexico, as well as any other Country, we do not want nor like illegal people coming to live and doing illegal actions.
Get legal or, get out of my Country
 

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Longford, you missed the point that in the street I was never ever asked for identity. In banks when changing a cheque or some official business, then of course I had to produce it.
 
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