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WOW!

I just read no new visas will be given to U. S. citizens. Only the ones with a long term visa and being married to a Filipinos will be allowed into the country. Even those allowed into the country have to quarantine for 14 days and be tested for Corvid-19 in a hotel approved by the government. That could be an expensive deal. The test can only be paid for with cash.

I wonder when the government will allow people to fly into the country on a tourist visa? They are killing the economy by not allowing tourist back into the country. I don't understand why they are not allowing them back in if they also are quarantined and tested.

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Can you share the article you are referring to? The latest information I had seen was that was the case for everyone, not just Americans.

As for the quarantine requirement, I believe you only need to stay in the hotel until you get your COVID test results(2 days minimum). Assuming it comes backs negative. The information on PAL’s site seems to be updated frequently.

** sorry, can’t post the link since I just joined the forum, but google “Philippines arrival requirements”


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art, can I as an Aussie citizen get a tourist visa to the US? (I have not looked nor would I bother ATM) An Indian national? Brazilian? Border control, simply governments protecting,,,,, or trying to protect their constituents. What's happening internally causes many problems. Flow on.
We all (countries) have to get our houses in order before bi lateral travel agreements can be accomplished between select/preferred safe countries. While this pandemic rages in many countries, others have controlled at a huge economic cost but those countries are now deemed safe and the people following medical protocols and opening up internally as well as internationally to like minded/safe countries.

Put it this way art, if you look at the numbers the last place an international traveller wants to go is a locked down country with high infection rates, that country will not accept tourists anyway.

None of this is easy with the economic fallout, alienation and the ramifications, the innocents that do the right thing while others care little, you yourself have said this many times in contributions and honestly? The arrogant, it's all about me are the real pandemic.
We have a global problem with obvious solutions that some/many ignore, a little like would you run across a 4 lane highway with a blindfold on? No. Would you let an Australian central Taipan bite you because you doubt it is a venomous snake? No.

Sorry for the waffle.

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Can you share the article you are referring to? The latest information I had seen was that was the case for everyone, not just Americans.

As for the quarantine requirement, I believe you only need to stay in the hotel until you get your COVID test results(2 days minimum). Assuming it comes backs negative. The information on PAL’s site seems to be updated frequently.

** sorry, can’t post the link since I just joined the forum, but google “Philippines arrival requirements”


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Hi Nate, welcome to the forum, thanks for your input.
Difficult times for all.
Even after your 2 or 3 days Quarantine, the province/area you end up in will probably want a further 14 day quarantine, LGU's are a law to themselves and abide we do. 3 months from March I never left our property, too difficult.
Good luck.

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hey Steve,

As far as I know there are no restrictions on people coming from Australia and entering the USA. We are opening up here in the USA. Most places have here in say Florida have no guidelines other then keeping a safe distance. The mask wearing is now an option which I don't like. I think the mask should be mandated in all areas to be worn.

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hey nate

sorry I am not sure what site I was on when I went to the link. It was a link to the Philippine government website. I just mentioned Americans since I am one. You are right about all tourist visas from different countries not allow there now.

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hey Steve,

As far as I know there are no restrictions on people coming from Australia and entering the USA. We are opening up here in the USA. Most places have here in say Florida have no guidelines other then keeping a safe distance. The mask wearing is now an option which I don't like. I think the mask should be mandated in all areas to be worn.

Art
What else can I add to this art? Nothing more needs to be said sadly except mask wearing was always optional from what I read, perhaps misread?

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hey Steve, The mask wearing here was always a big deal. A lot would not wear them. Said it violated their civil rights. so most places allowed them to get by not wearing them. They mandated in some areas that mask had to be worn but a lot refused to wear them. Most places would not arrest a person for not having a mask on.

I am a mask believer as long as everybody has them on in a store. But, the problem here in the USA is most will have a mask on but 3 or 4 in a store won't wear them. So, they can pass the virus on to us with the mask. I don't know how your country handled the situation with the safe distance and wearing a mask.

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WOW!

I just read no new visas will be given to U. S. citizens. Only the ones with a long term visa and being married to a Filipinos will be allowed into the country. Even those allowed into the country have to quarantine for 14 days and be tested for Corvid-19 in a hotel approved by the government. That could be an expensive deal. The test can only be paid for with cash.

I wonder when the government will allow people to fly into the country on a tourist visa? They are killing the economy by not allowing tourist back into the country. I don't understand why they are not allowing them back in if they also are quarantined and tested.

Art


This is exactly why this whole situation is so confusing...because while one government agency is saying that there will be no new Visa's issued...there are many other government agencies, such as the Philippine Department of Tourism has announced that this month, (October), international tourist will begin to be allowed access to the Philippines with "minimal" restrictive measures...

It's as if everyone is issuing their own statements and NONE of the statements coincide with each other!

The bottom line is we cannot rely on what we hear or read but sadly I think we are just going to be forced to wait and actually "SEE" what happens because EVERYDAY the so-called "official" statements are changing so fast, we cannot keep up with them, leaving ALL of us wondering what is the truth? Or what is actually going on? What are the current policies?
 

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hey Steve, The mask wearing here was always a big deal. A lot would not wear them. Said it violated their civil rights. so most places allowed them to get by not wearing them. They mandated in some areas that mask had to be worn but a lot refused to wear them. Most places would not arrest a person for not having a mask on.

I am a mask believer as long as everybody has them on in a store. But, the problem here in the USA is most will have a mask on but 3 or 4 in a store won't wear them. So, they can pass the virus on to us with the mask. I don't know how your country handled the situation with the safe distance and wearing a mask.

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Yes art, a sad situation that could have saved countless lives if only ego's were put aside, the writing was on the wall for those that chose to listen to medical professionals and those who chose rights over safety, I am only observing and cannot/will not condemn other peoples choices no matter country nor beliefs. I believe only in my choices, listen, learn, act.

I was in hospital yesterday for an ongoing problem with an infection in my foot which finally they operated on after years of problems, the hospital (private was pretty well empty for the last 3 visits compared to the previous years hours of waiting) Operation complete I asked my doctor that I have seen for the last 4/5 years "why no waiting any more?" He told me Filipino people would rather weather the flu and alike instead of coming to a hospital that has had C-19 cases. Who are the fools looking at the numbers? First world country with 650 deaths per million or a backwater country with 53 deaths per million? Some people take notice over constitutions. Australia has all of the above but personally I am keen on living and very glad I can follow the doctrines here.

OMO.

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This is exactly why this whole situation is so confusing...because while one government agency is saying that there will be no new Visa's issued...there are many other government agencies, such as the Philippine Department of Tourism has announced that this month, (October), international tourist will begin to be allowed access to the Philippines with "minimal" restrictive measures...

It's as if everyone is issuing their own statements and NONE of the statements coincide with each other!

The bottom line is we cannot rely on what we hear or read but sadly I think we are just going to be forced to wait and actually "SEE" what happens because EVERYDAY the so-called "official" statements are changing so fast, we cannot keep up with them, leaving ALL of us wondering what is the truth? Or what is actually going on? What are the current policies?
Starts at the top no matter the country, nothing else needs to be said.

OMO.

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This is exactly why this whole situation is so confusing...because while one government agency is saying that there will be no new Visa's issued...there are many other government agencies, such as the Philippine Department of Tourism has announced that this month, (October), international tourist will begin to be allowed access to the Philippines with "minimal" restrictive measures...

It's as if everyone is issuing their own statements and NONE of the statements coincide with each other!

The bottom line is we cannot rely on what we hear or read but sadly I think we are just going to be forced to wait and actually "SEE" what happens because EVERYDAY the so-called "official" statements are changing so fast, we cannot keep up with them, leaving ALL of us wondering what is the truth? Or what is actually going on? What are the current policies?
Welcome to the Philippines. That is business as usual here it is just that in the pandemic that teh confusion and contradictions are more pronounced.
 

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The mask wearing here was always a big deal. A lot would not wear them. Said it violated their civil rights
I guess you are talking about USA.

Them, who claim it's a civil right, argue realy STUPID :loco: because I suppouse it isn't a civil right in USA neither to spread dangerous virus to OTHERS...? :(

Similar stupid as smokers argued when non smokers demanded to not get dangerous* smoke from smokers, although covid virus is much worse bycan be just little to become dangerous.

*It's proven "passive smoking" is dangerous too.
 

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hey Lunkan,

Yes, i meant the USA. The problem here is we are one of the most free nations on earth and so we have all these people demanding their civil rights not to be violated. I have always respected other people. I use to smoke 35 years ago. I never smoke around a person without asking them if it is okay. Same with these mask. I wear them to show respect and hope most all will wear them to. But, we have these idiots that could care less if they would spread the virus as long as they don't have to wear the mask.

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hey Lunkan,

Yes, i meant the USA. The problem here is we are one of the most free nations on earth It .....
It always amuses me to hear an American claim that the US is one of the most free countries in the world when you are not even in the top 50, and declining. Several former Soviet Republics are ahead of you.

https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores?sort=desc&order=Total Score and Status

And please do not say fake news or another organization that hates America, look at their methodology and come back with some specific criticisms on how they came up with that ranking.


Just so you know, Freedom House is a US Government sponsored NGO.
 

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hey Manitoba,

I see you don't even understand what i meant by a free nation here in the USA. The people here are use to doing what they want and everything was built on the civil rights laws. We have probably a million lawyers here to sue on everything. So that is what I mean by a free nation. they don't want to be told they can't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no ideal what your thinking is and what you mean by the USA is not even in the 50 count. Hmmmmmm!

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hey Manitoba,

I see you don't even understand what i meant by a free nation here in the USA. The people here are use to doing what they want and everything was built on the civil rights laws. We have probably a million lawyers here to sue on everything. So that is what I mean by a free nation.

I have no ideal what your thinking is and what you mean by the USA is not even in the 50 count. Hmmmmmm!

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Look at the link I provided, it lists all nations and then you can click on the country name to see where the points were allocated. The USA scored 86 out of 100 putting it number 51 on the list by my count.

The US is still considered to be a free nation, I am not disputing that, but it is declining in the rankings, and is on its way to not being a free nation.


You guys should really stop blindly believing your own propaganda on the USA being the number one country in the world, you are not. The USA is not by any empirical measure the number one country in any positive measure. Health outcomes on par with many third world countries, educational standards declining, huge income and wealth disparities ( That will sooner or later trigger civil unrest.) Elections where the person chosen by the majority has lost. Vast portions of your population disenfranchised, one of the largest largest prison populations per capita in the world. Highway death rates on par with Philippine accident rates, a multiple of what is experienced in other developed countries despite having one of the most advanced highway networks around. I could go on but if you actually look at the numbers, you will see what I mean.


I think that the major issue stopping you from climbing the rankings, is that belief that the USA is perfect and all other countries not so much. It puts blinkers on your eyes to the faults in your countries and the things that work in other countries. If you willfully will not see that there is a problem, you cannot fix it.


Since this is not a US political discussion forum, I will drop the topic, feel free to get in the last word but I do urge you to take a critical look at the numbers and seeing just how badly the US is doing in many categories, and has been in decline over the past several administrations so this is not a partisan political issue.

If you do feel the need to get in the last word, please provide evidence of your claim in the form of links citing reputable sources. And remember that the majority of the world does not consider the right to walk around armed to the teeth to be freedom.
 

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Great link Rick, very interesting, eye opening even. (Manitoba)

We have gone off topic but in an interesting way and politics aside the link appears credible.
It ranks Australia #9 and I would never have guessed that, it also ranks PI. #111,,,,,,,,, now I see why I get so frustrated with the constant difficulties encountered in my adopted country, obviously I need to harden up.

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