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Hello all!!!!!!!

My wife and I are looking to move to Portugal in July 2010 and we need some help!!! We are starting the visa process in Feb and we are so very excited to start our European adventure!!! We are both very experienced teachers, high school,and I also have IB teaching experience and extensive coaching experience. We are hoping to catch on as either a teacher or a volunteer at a school in the Algarve region. Are there teaching opportunities in the Algarve region? Would it make sense to get TESOL certification also?

In case teaching is not an option, I do have a business opportunity that would be an absolute goldmine over there. It would require owning a food service cart. Is it difficult to secure food service licenses? Is there a lot of red tape? Who would I contact to find more information about vending food?

Also, should we consider shipping a car over from the states or would it be better to purchase a used car in Portugal? Are used cars very expensive in Portugal?

As far as finding a place to stay, we are looking to rent for a year or possible caretake at a property. Any advice on how or where we can advertise that two teachers are looking to caretake at a home? Or does anyone know of any contacts that have long-term rentals in the Algarve area.

I know I am missing some question, any input from all of you wonderful people would be greatly appreciated!!!!!! We have around 10 months to plan this move the right way and we want to make sure that we are set up to succeed!


Warm regards,

Joe & Gina
 

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Hi and welcome to the forum.

A couple of questions come up from reading your post. First of all, have you contacted the Portuguese consulate to find out about the requirements for a working visa? I don't have any experience with Portugal, but generally within the EU you need to have a job lined up before they will grant you a work visa unless you have some family connection to the country.

The second question is: do you speak Portuguese? Certainly if you go the food cart route you'll need the language to fill out the forms and figure out what level of bureaucracy there is, not to mention dealing with customers. Again, this is something you may want to consult with the consulate about before you get into the visa application process.

It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to make an exploratory trip over to Portugal to scope out your teaching opportunities and see about availability of rental property.
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In case teaching is not an option, I do have a business opportunity that would be an absolute goldmine over there. It would require owning a food service cart. Is it difficult to secure food service licenses? Is there a lot of red tape? Who would I contact to find more information about vending food?
See the site for the Ministry of Agriculture in Faro MADRP

Also, should we consider shipping a car over from the states
Definitely not

or would it be better to purchase a used car in Portugal?
Yes

Are used cars very expensive in Portugal?
More expensive than the US from what I gather see Carros Usados de particulares e profissionais - Standvirtual

As far as finding a place to stay, we are looking to rent for a year or possible caretake at a property. Any advice on how or where we can advertise that two teachers are looking to caretake at a home? Or does anyone know of any contacts that have long-term rentals in the Algarve area.
Forget the idea of caretake and budget $1000 a month + services bills. Call a long term rental specialist agency like Welcome to Portugal Property Services
 

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Hi cotton32
Over 50.000 English speaking foreigners moved to Portugal in the last 5 years. 50% are struggling and 10% have gone back to their birth countries because they couldn´t afford to live here anymore. I will suggest that anyone who wants to move to this country to make sure that they can afford to live on their pensions, because if you are looking to find work in here without been able to speak the language proper, let me tell you that only 1%, has been able to do so
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Thanks to all for your comments! We have put away quite a bit of money, enough to take care of us for at least a year and we are in the process of taking Portuguese lessons, but I feel the best way to learn the language is through immersion. We would like to open a Kettlecorn Popcorn cart. the potential is unlimited in the states. Would Kettlecorn popcorn be something that would interest locals and tourists? How would I go about acquiring a permit to sell the popcorn in a public place?

Also, like I said we are both very experienced educators and we can teach English as a second language. Are there ESL opportunities in the Algarve? I would imagine due to all of the tourists that there are language schools in the Algarve due to the number of english speaking tourists and ex-pats.

We are planning for at least a year and then re-evaulate.


Looking forward to the comments!!!!






Hi cotton32
Over 50.000 English speaking foreigners moved to Portugal in the last 5 years. 50% are struggling and 10% have gone back to their birth countries because they couldn´t afford to live here anymore. I will suggest that anyone who wants to move to this country to make sure that they can afford to live on their pensions, because if you are looking to find work in here without been able to speak the language proper, let me tell you that only 1%, has been able to do so
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I can't believe you would really want to sell popcorn on the streets, you are going to have to work really hard to make any money at all, long hours 7 days a week. What sort of a life is that? There is probably a small market for it but prices will need to be low if you want to sell to the Portuguese market. Believe it or not popcorn is widely available here already in cinemas and stores but as far as I can see its not a standalone product, perhaps though its a franchise opportunity but if you need to pay heavy import duties on the raw materials that may just kill the idea.

I gave you the reference for the Ministry of Agriculture in my first post. It's them you need to approach with regard to street peddler licencing. Great first practice for your Portuguese skills.

English is now taught in Portuguese schools from age 7 so the more recent generations grow up reasonably bi lingual. There is a market teaching Portuguese to English Expats but that is pretty well filled by Portuguese native speaking teachers.

Don't forget the famous phrase 'The best way to make a small fortune in Portugal is to start with a large one'.
 

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I am not really sure if you are aware of Kettlecorn popcorn? It is not like plain popcorn. It is very sweet, kind of like candy. the cost per sleeve is about 33 cents per bag which you can sell for about 5 euros, It is a very big bag of popcorn! Lasts about 1 week. I felt the same as you did about selling popcorn until I started researching the product.

There is a vendor here in the states that I am friends with that grossed $350,000 last year alone with one Kettlecorn popcorn cart. He sells each bag for $7 and he sells about 200 bags a day and he works about 250 days out of the year. It is an extremely addictive product, think about when you do go to the cinema, the smell alone draws you to the snack counter. Plus the making of the kettlecorn popcorn is really a show in itself, very entertaining.

Now am I looking to make 350,000 a year, absolutely not! But if I can average 150 bags a week, I will make 750 euros a week and 3000 euros a month, would that be enough to live off? I went to Faro last summer and according to the British owner of the villa that we stayed with, he said for 2 people to live comfortably for one year it will cost about 25,000 euros. Is this true?

Maybe we shouldn't take the risk, maybe we should stay home. The advice that people give on here is that no one makes it moving abroad. What makes your story different? I guess you really have to be wealthy!!!!!!

You know what they say "No risk, no reward"





I can't believe you would really want to sell popcorn on the streets, you are going to have to work really hard to make any money at all, long hours 7 days a week. What sort of a life is that? There is probably a small market for it but prices will need to be low if you want to sell to the Portuguese market. Believe it or not popcorn is widely available here already in cinemas and stores but as far as I can see its not a standalone product, perhaps though its a franchise opportunity but if you need to pay heavy import duties on the raw materials that may just kill the idea.

I gave you the reference for the Ministry of Agriculture in my first post. It's them you need to approach with regard to street peddler licencing. Great first practice for your Portuguese skills.

English is now taught in Portuguese schools from age 7 so the more recent generations grow up reasonably bi lingual. There is a market teaching Portuguese to English Expats but that is pretty well filled by Portuguese native speaking teachers.

Don't forget the famous phrase 'The best way to make a small fortune in Portugal is to start with a large one'.
 

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I am not really sure if you are aware of Kettlecorn popcorn? It is not like plain popcorn. It is very sweet, kind of like candy. the cost per sleeve is about 33 cents per bag which you can sell for about 5 euros, It is a very big bag of popcorn! Lasts about 1 week. I felt the same as you did about selling popcorn until I started researching the product.

There is a vendor here in the states that I am friends with that grossed $350,000 last year alone with one Kettlecorn popcorn cart. He sells each bag for $7 and he sells about 200 bags a day and he works about 250 days out of the year. It is an extremely addictive product, think about when you do go to the cinema, the smell alone draws you to the snack counter. Plus the making of the kettlecorn popcorn is really a show in itself, very entertaining.

Now am I looking to make 350,000 a year, absolutely not! But if I can average 150 bags a week, I will make 750 euros a week and 3000 euros a month, would that be enough to live off? I went to Faro last summer and according to the British owner of the villa that we stayed with, he said for 2 people to live comfortably for one year it will cost about 25,000 euros. Is this true?

Maybe we shouldn't take the risk, maybe we should stay home. The advice that people give on here is that no one makes it moving abroad. What makes your story different? I guess you really have to be wealthy!!!!!!

You know what they say "No risk, no reward"
Hey, I'm not trying to put you off or anything like, I dont even live in Portugal, nor do I eat popcorn. You go for it, you only live once!! However........ HOW MUCH FOR A BAG OF POPCORN??????? A WEEKS SUPPLY????? :eek::eek::eek: LOL

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5 Euros!!!!!!! that's cheap!!!!!!!!




Hey, I'm not trying to put you off or anything like, I dont even live in Portugal, nor do I eat popcorn. You go for it, you only live once!! However........ HOW MUCH FOR A BAG OF POPCORN??????? A WEEKS SUPPLY????? :eek::eek::eek: LOL

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5 Euros!!!!!!! that's cheap!!!!!!!!
If you say so!! Is the bag gilt edged ??????? I'm only teasing, the only sort of popcorn I've come across is 1.50€ and thats a normal sized box thingy in the tourist area (which is expensive) near where I live!! and I dont eat it so I cant comment on the quality :) .....and I'm in Spain!

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You may want to allow for differing tastes in Portugal or in Europe overall. After living over here for nearly 20 years now, I find many products in the US far too sweet, even though I used to just love them. There are also different eating habits. Certainly here in France, anyhow, people don't go in for snack foods the same way they do in the US.

And does 5 euros include VAT or not? Not sure the rate of VAT in Portugal, but that will take a bit of your profits (as will social insurances, which are obligatory for someone in business for themselves). Five euros for a bag of sweet popcorn strikes me as pretty expensive for what amounts to a snack food. I usually pick up a 4 lb bag of raw popcorn when I'm back in the States, cause the raw stuff here runs 2 or 3 times the price it is back there - and that lasts me a year or more simply because we don't eat much snack food.

Anyhow, it's all part of the "due diligence" you need to do to prepare for your move. Take a look at what Portuguese tastes are in snack food and when and where they are most likely to buy and consume it.
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I just moved to Portugal in the last 2 weeks. I sold some property in Chicago and brought my two little dogs with me. My main advice is don't use a moving company SNIP based in Florida. My experience with them is not yet over. They shipped about 8 large boxes for me on June 25th. I filled out the paperwork they said that it would be so easy. Takes between 6-8 weeks no problem.
Heads up you must be living in Portugal to except your shipment. There is quiet a few forms needed from the Portugal side. My shipment is currently held in a bonded storage (which I will have to pay additional fines and storage fees).I am getting very slow response on trying to get it out. Good Luck. If you need more details I would be happy to share.


Hello all!!!!!!!

My wife and I are looking to move to Portugal in July 2010 and we need some help!!! We are starting the visa process in Feb and we are so very excited to start our European adventure!!! We are both very experienced teachers, high school,and I also have IB teaching experience and extensive coaching experience. We are hoping to catch on as either a teacher or a volunteer at a school in the Algarve region. Are there teaching opportunities in the Algarve region? Would it make sense to get TESOL certification also?

In case teaching is not an option, I do have a business opportunity that would be an absolute goldmine over there. It would require owning a food service cart. Is it difficult to secure food service licenses? Is there a lot of red tape? Who would I contact to find more information about vending food?

Also, should we consider shipping a car over from the states or would it be better to purchase a used car in Portugal? Are used cars very expensive in Portugal?

As far as finding a place to stay, we are looking to rent for a year or possible caretake at a property. Any advice on how or where we can advertise that two teachers are looking to caretake at a home? Or does anyone know of any contacts that have long-term rentals in the Algarve area.

I know I am missing some question, any input from all of you wonderful people would be greatly appreciated!!!!!! We have around 10 months to plan this move the right way and we want to make sure that we are set up to succeed!


Warm regards,

Joe & Gina
 

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Not been funny, just go for it. If you have the money…a gallon of petrol will cost you $12.00 and a 10 year old car, (half decent), around $6.000.00. $1.000, 00 for rental, (month), gas, water, electric and phone, between $300.00 and $400.00, (month). Food, Portuguese lessons in Portugal, car insurance. You will need a residence order and a Portuguese “license”, to drive a Portuguese reg vehicle, and, you will have to compete with a few hundred real English teachers, ( from England), who are waiting for a chance of a job. I believe, the dollar is half of the euro, but you can always sell popcorns. Don´t take me wrong, this is a reality check for you; if you still believe you can do it, go for it!!!
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It sounds like you have not done your home work. I would start with the portuguese consulate. Some people in this thread have offered you very good suggestions. The average salary is about 700 to 1000 euros a month. Rent in Lisbon can go anywhere from 400 euros ( a dump most likely) to 1000 euros. There are tons of paper work. There are chestnut vendors in Lisbon, but i can assure you they are not wealthy. Remember your calculations on what you will sell are not based on actual figures but what you are hoping to sell based on what your friend sells in the states, and if you are really keen on going to portugal, and believe your idea is great then i would do it in the states where you have a half a chance to make as much as your friend then go to portugal and spend some fun time there. But if you can overcome the legal, bureaucratic barriers to your business in Portugal, there is nothing like trying it and maybe you will prove all of us wrong.
 

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Hello all!!!!!!!

My wife and I are looking to move to Portugal in July 2010 and we need some help!!! We are starting the visa process in Feb and we are so very excited to start our European adventure!!! We are both very experienced teachers, high school,and I also have IB teaching experience and extensive coaching experience. We are hoping to catch on as either a teacher or a volunteer at a school in the Algarve region. Are there teaching opportunities in the Algarve region? Would it make sense to get TESOL certification also?

In case teaching is not an option, I do have a business opportunity that would be an absolute goldmine over there. It would require owning a food service cart. Is it difficult to secure food service licenses? Is there a lot of red tape? Who would I contact to find more information about vending food?

Also, should we consider shipping a car over from the states or would it be better to purchase a used car in Portugal? Are used cars very expensive in Portugal?

As far as finding a place to stay, we are looking to rent for a year or possible caretake at a property. Any advice on how or where we can advertise that two teachers are looking to caretake at a home? Or does anyone know of any contacts that have long-term rentals in the Algarve area.

I know I am missing some question, any input from all of you wonderful people would be greatly appreciated!!!!!! We have around 10 months to plan this move the right way and we want to make sure that we are set up to succeed!


Warm regards,

Joe & Gina
Try .: Bem-vindos à RE/MAX Portugal - A Maior Rede de Imobiliárias em Portugal:. for an idea on prices of rentals and owning property. Also try SAPO: Portugal Online for more information on rentals, work, etc... But if you do not speak Portuguese you will not be able to read sapo, but might get a glimpse of prices. I do not live in Portugal but have family there and plan on going back, and their salaries average 700 euros per month and utilities are not that expensive as someone made it sound. But if you check remax you can ask the realtors about these questions. Also, i would get a lawyer for there are many scams and people who will take advantage of your lack of knowledge of the country.
 

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The prices I gave you before were in dollars. We are 4 at ours and we live in Caldas. We are paying between 50 and 60 Euros a month for electric, around 30 for water, 39 for gas, around 80 for the phone bill, 55 for Portuguese Sky with the sport channels and 22 for internet. That gives us about 286 Euros a month. Exchange that to dollars, ($$). You planning to move to the Algarve region, the rental prices will be a lot higher than Lisbon or Caldas or anywhere else on Silver coast with exception of Praia Del Rei. I presume you don´t have children’s, because if you do, the bills will increase. Only the ones who take chances are brave enough to succeed. Best of luck
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I truly appreciate everyone's advice on this!!!! Like I stated in an earlier post we both traveled to Faro last summer and we loved the place. Let me get something clear, I am not planning on making a living selling popcorn! We are exploring a number of things, with teaching being the number one option. I have been in contact with a number of International schools throughout Spain and Portugal and in fact we have received some interest from a number of schools.

I understand there are a number of TEFL (English) Certified teachers looking for positions, but are there really 1,000 unemployed British Teachers? Wouldn't they just go back home?

Also, there are a number of language schools in Portugal and Spain for teacher training that advertise that you can take a 4 week course and they also offer job placement. Is this accurate? Do the teacher training courses help you find jobs?

Also, I believe that you do only live once and "no risk, no reward"!!!!!

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The prices I gave you before were in dollars. We are 4 at ours and we live in Caldas. We are paying between 50 and 60 Euros a month for electric, around 30 for water, 39 for gas, around 80 for the phone bill, 55 for Portuguese Sky with the sport channels and 22 for internet. That gives us about 286 Euros a month. Exchange that to dollars, ($$). You planning to move to the Algarve region, the rental prices will be a lot higher than Lisbon or Caldas or anywhere else on Silver coast with exception of Praia Del Rei. I presume you don´t have children’s, because if you do, the bills will increase. Only the ones who take chances are brave enough to succeed. Best of luck
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Also..... I am also a "real" teacher!




Not been funny, just go for it. If you have the money…a gallon of petrol will cost you $12.00 and a 10 year old car, (half decent), around $6.000.00. $1.000, 00 for rental, (month), gas, water, electric and phone, between $300.00 and $400.00, (month). Food, Portuguese lessons in Portugal, car insurance. You will need a residence order and a Portuguese “license”, to drive a Portuguese reg vehicle, and, you will have to compete with a few hundred real English teachers, ( from England), who are waiting for a chance of a job. I believe, the dollar is half of the euro, but you can always sell popcorns. Don´t take me wrong, this is a reality check for you; if you still believe you can do it, go for it!!!
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