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I have been living 3+ years with my wife (Non-U.S.) on the open ocean in our "house" boat, travelling the world. We think it is about time to renounce our citizenship as we have had no use or contact with the United States for years.

My question is, are we going to have a hard time renouncing at an US Embassy with no foreign residency or passport? Technically it does not say we need a non-US passport or citizenship on the papers I need to sign. Just confirmation I am a US citizen, and a signature of renouncement.

What have others experienced with this process? Will they process my renunciation?

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I have moved this to the US forum where I think you will get more responses?

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Do I understand you correctly - you would hand in your US passport without having another one?

That would make your existence extremely difficult. Even sailing the seas, you have to put in to port from time to time. No one would have you though.

What is the plan?

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you cannot renounce without having another citizenship in place to continue with they will not leave you stateless

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Apparently it violates several international treaties to allow you to give up (or to take away) your nationality when you don't have a second nationality to fall back on. (This is a huge debate here in France, where they are talking about taking away French nationality from anyone convicted of terrorism.) Evidently you can't be stateless - or at least a government isn't allowed to do anything that will leave you in that condition.
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While probably not a good idea to renounce without already having another nationality and passport to fall back on, the US State Department website addresses statelessness but does not indicate it would prevent you from renouncing.

From the official source:

Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government. They may also have difficulty traveling as they may not be entitled to a passport from any country. Even if not stateless, former U.S. citizens would still be required to obtain a visa to travel to the United States, or show that they are eligible for admission pursuant to the terms of the Visa Waiver Pilot Program (VWPP). Renunciation of U.S. citizenship may not prevent a foreign country from deporting that individual to the United States in some non-citizen status.

https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...tizenship.html

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Thanks for your replies.

And yes, we are basically travelling from port to port, however we rarely pull into ports because there is no real need when living on the ocean and coast. It actually is MORE difficult to find an "Official" Port with authority than just getting what we need in a small village or something. I believe americans call this "Substidence" living, like Aboriginees or Eskimos. It is perfectly legal.

But yes, I have no other nationality so I guess I would fall under statelessness?? Which apparently is just fine according to the paperwork, it is only concerned with establishing that I have a U.S. citizenship to renounce. I could always get legal help.

So I guess it would go something like this?:

1: Get a mail box.
2: Go to Embassy for renunciation process
3: Get certificate in Mail of Renunciation
4: Be on my way

So basically I can't think of any other reason, thoughts on this?

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Thanks for your replies.

And yes, we are basically travelling from port to port, however we rarely pull into ports because there is no real need when living on the ocean and coast. It actually is MORE difficult to find an "Official" Port with authority than just getting what we need in a small village or something. I believe americans call this "Substidence" living, like Aboriginees or Eskimos. It is perfectly legal.

But yes, I have no other nationality so I guess I would fall under statelessness?? Which apparently is just fine according to the paperwork, it is only concerned with establishing that I have a U.S. citizenship to renounce. I could always get legal help.

So I guess it would go something like this?:

1: Get a mail box.
2: Go to Embassy for renunciation process
3: Get certificate in Mail of Renunciation
4: Be on my way

So basically I can't think of any other reason, thoughts on this?
Cost - don't forget it's quite expensive to renounce these days!
Also - are your US tax affairs up to date? - as I believe they need to be, to enable you to renounce.

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renunciation fee to $2,350,
On top of that, some U.S. citizens are slapped with a giant "exit tax" bill

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Thanks for your replies.

And yes, we are basically travelling from port to port, however we rarely pull into ports because there is no real need when living on the ocean and coast. It actually is MORE difficult to find an "Official" Port with authority than just getting what we need in a small village or something. I believe americans call this "Substidence" living, like Aboriginees or Eskimos. It is perfectly legal.

But yes, I have no other nationality so I guess I would fall under statelessness?? Which apparently is just fine according to the paperwork, it is only concerned with establishing that I have a U.S. citizenship to renounce. I could always get legal help.
What happens if (actually when) you get sick and need medical care? You will have no legal basis to enter the US and go to a hospital.

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