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Old 13th April 2011, 09:08 AM
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There´s also the phrase "expat community", which to me brings up images of the British colonial types in India trying to create little ghettos of familiarity in a hostile land. Jewel in the Crown and all that.
I dislike that very loose word 'community'. It makes me especially mad when I read/hear of the 'black community' or the 'gay community' and so on.
It implies ties that are superficial and ignore real differences between the real people who make up the so-called 'community'. These are almost always economic.
Lord Alan Sugar has a home near where I live but he's no member of any 'community' I could be part of. Similarly, what I have I in common with a single-parent lesbian living in a council flat in Brixton? Or Lenny Henry with an unemployed black youth in Stockwell?
We should drop these ridiculous abstracts and concentrate on what actually is the case in the world today.
I remember well a phrase heard amongst feminists in the '80s :'Mrs.Thatcher may be a woman but she isn't a sister'.
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Old 13th April 2011, 09:29 AM
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I dislike that very loose word 'community'. It makes me especially mad when I read/hear of the 'black community' or the 'gay community' and so on.
It implies ties that are superficial and ignore real differences between the real people who make up the so-called 'community'. These are almost always economic.
Lord Alan Sugar has a home near where I live but he's no member of any 'community' I could be part of. Similarly, what I have I in common with a single-parent lesbian living in a council flat in Brixton? Or Lenny Henry with an unemployed black youth in Stockwell?
We should drop these ridiculous abstracts and concentrate on what actually is the case in the world today.
I remember well a phrase heard amongst feminists in the '80s :'Mrs.Thatcher may be a woman but she isn't a sister'.
Kind of sums it up..
Spot on.

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Do you wanna know what I really think??? I think its high time we stopped worrying about stereotypical names, titles, groups, descriptions etc! If everyone stopped being so easily offended by all of this then the world would be a lot more pleasant. It seems in this day an age you have to walk a mine field of PC words and titles, how stupid! Quite frankly, if I want to offend someone, it wouldnt be with some vague name, they'd know full well what I meant. the same when people speak to or about me - call me what you like, I'll know from your tone or expletives what you mean. We should all be aware of our differences and idiosyncrasies and be open about them and even laugh about them. I get really fed up with "pussy footing" around delicate egos, constantly having to "be careful" what words I use to have a conversation, or type on here in case I inadvertently offend - cos, like I say, it would be inadvertent - you'd know if it wasnt!!! So, for what its worth call me what you like, stereotype me, pidgeon hole me, it matters not!!

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Old 13th April 2011, 10:58 AM
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Do you wanna know what I really think??? I think its high time we stopped worrying about stereotypical names, titles, groups, descriptions etc! If everyone stopped being so easily offended by all of this then the world would be a lot more pleasant. It seems in this day an age you have to walk a mine field of PC words and titles, how stupid! Quite frankly, if I want to offend someone, it wouldnt be with some vague name, they'd know full well what I meant. the same when people speak to or about me - call me what you like, I'll know from your tone or expletives what you mean. We should all be aware of our differences and idiosyncrasies and be open about them and even laugh about them. I get really fed up with "pussy footing" around delicate egos, constantly having to "be careful" what words I use to have a conversation, or type on here in case I inadvertently offend - cos, like I say, it would be inadvertent - you'd know if it wasnt!!! So, for what its worth call me what you like, stereotype me, pidgeon hole me, it matters not!!

There! Rant over - As you were lol!!

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Well, I kind of agree with you Jojo, but despite what you and I might think is a good idea, and despite the values we might try to guide our children towards including in their own, people do judge others. And in order to do that people out there in the Real World make assumptions, like labelling, grouping, lumping together and jumping to the wrong conclusion.
And you can bet that you and I do it all the time too. The best we can hope for is to live and learn.

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Well, I kind of agree with you Jojo, but despite what you and I might think is a good idea, and despite the values we might try to guide our children towards including in their own, people do judge others. And in order to do that people out there in the Real World make assumptions, like labelling, grouping, lumping together and jumping to the wrong conclusion.
And you can bet that you and I do it all the time too. The best we can hope for is to live and learn.
Maybe, and maybe I'm being a little inensitive??? Its just sometimes we seem to get so offended by such silly things, there are so many other things to get offended by and is it really bad to be "lumped" together?? IMO, if I'm considered "an Expat" and I'm blonde, so if people assume that makes me stereotypical then do I care??? No! Those who know me, know what I'm like, those who get to know me will know what I'm like - am I a "typical expat" or aq typical blonde? I dont know - I'm me!!

I just felt like having a rant really

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Maybe, and maybe I'm being a little inensitive??? Its just sometimes we seem to get so offended by such silly things, there are so many other things to get offended by and is it really bad to be "lumped" together?? IMO, if I'm considered "an Expat" and I'm blonde, so if people assume that makes me stereotypical then do I care??? No! Those who know me, know what I'm like, those who get to know me will know what I'm like - am I a "typical expat" or aq typical blonde? I dont know - I'm me!!

I just felt like having a rant really

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But what if someone from, say, Norway or South Korea came along and said "all blonde British expats are fat and stupid, and drink too much?" Then you would quite rightly be indignant, because if course it's not true. It's a generalisation, probably based on prejudice, because maybe he's heard too many dumb blonde jokes.

That's the danger of stereotyping, and why we should all try to avoid it.

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But what if someone from, say, Norway or South Korea came along and said "all blonde British expats are fat and stupid, and drink too much?" Then you would quite rightly be indignant,
I wouldnt be tho! That my point, we take offense too easily. I'd be offended if someone came up to me personally and in "a tone" said that TO ME - Altho I'm not fat, dont drink ..... the stupid bit??? hhhmmm I have my moments! But as a generalisation, maybe thats how other folk see us??!! I dont know, but I dont care

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