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Old 16th May 2010, 12:35 AM
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First of all, no, no plans myself to move out of my perfectly legal rented flat (despite the rather expensive rental price every month) but purely out of interest...

Recently one of the poetry readings in which I participated was organised in the basement of a squat, where all sorts of workshops were done. Some of the other poets lived in the squat upstairs. Near my workplace there's a squat as well which even doesn't have proper glass in the windows, a door that seems to be very much broken, but somehow they got functioning light and running water and live there with 10 or more people including a few young kids

Purely out of interest, but how do those squatters get the electricity and water if they in theory are not officially living there? Also, how can they leave for work and be not worried to arrive "home" and find the squat sealed off with no way to get back in and recover their possessions?



Just interested, no plans to go squatting myself... One of my favourite musicians (and a big inspiration for my own writings) did live in a squat in London for a while before he managed to get a legal income. Maybe my interest stems from that fact, or maybe from the fact that I see those squatters near work have lights and running water and organise barbeque parties on the roof without the owner of the house apparently caring to even check if the house is being used or not

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Some months back I watched a Spanish programme, Comando Actualidad, which highlighted this problem. They told the story of an elderly Spanish couple who left their flat to visit family & when they came back squatters had moved in & they were still unable to return weeks later ! Apparently it's quite a problem . Most owners of empty properties still pay for the services as it's cheaper than having them disconnectd / re- connected ,so once they are in everythings there, & the owners paying the bills !!!

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Seriously? Because I know of some squats that have been occupied for a few years. Some have like a sort of "squat estate agency" where people can put themselves on a waiting list for a room in a squat, and in some other squats I've seen families (including children and elderly) living in a squat with 10 or more. It sounds odd that someone would leave his property unused without renting it out or selling it, not return for a long time, but continue to pay bills without wondering who is consuming the electricity and water in the first place... In some of those squats where squatters have been living for years, I guess the owners simply don't care about the property and, as long as they have no financial worries, just forget about the case or don't think further?

I heard stories about some squats tapping electricity from neighbouring regularly rented houses but that sounds quite odd to me. If I'd see an unusually high electricity bill coming in, I'd not just pay it without wondering who has used that extra amount of electricity...




Mind, I don't know how laws are here in Spain, but in the Benelux it is actually legal to occupy a house when it's been abandoned for a year onwards. So once the owner doesn't take action within that year, the squatter -without paying bills- is seen as having the right to be there and it becomes quite tricky to get them back out. Not sure if Spain has any similar law that sort of legalises the squatters' status after a certain amount of time?

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I can answer your question ; as to why the owners go on paying for the Utilities in their occupied houses : it's against the LAW to turn the Utilities off, thus depriving their squatter/s of their "Human rights" to water, lighting, heating, etc.

I have had a squatter living in my home for almost a year.

He broke in, changed the lock on the patio door and bolted the main door, having removed both the lock and handle, leaving two rather large holes in the very heavy wooden door to greet the Police, called when we discovered someone was in the house, without permission, refusing to open the door.

When the Police arrived he then flung open the main ( holed,lock and handle-less )
door with a flourish, crying "Hello (to me ) how nice of you to come and visit !"

This, after hiding in the house, for about an hour and refusing to answer to the knocking of myself, my friend just arrived from Norway to stay with me and my two Finnish friends who live next door. And two Policemen.

He claimed that he had a "verbal contract" (as valid in Law as a written contract )
TO LIVE IN MY HOUSE FOR THREE YEARS.
At this point I did not even know this person's name.

I do now : BARTOLOME SANCHEZ SANCHEZ.

About 35 and a gardener, from Agua Dulce, but living in Fuengirola for some years.
Ex boyfriend of Cordelia, late of "La Cepa" in Constitution Plaza, Fuengirola.
( I hasten to say, I don't think she has anything to do with this )

When I went to go in, to fetch my deeds to show ownership of my home, the Police told me I had no "right to enter" as he was "in possession" and further-more they advised me to stay well clear of him, as they thought him "unstable".

I was left with one change of clothes, in the garments and shoes I stood in.
All my possessions where, and may or may not be, in my house.

I have a Lawyer, to whom I have paid 2.000.00.Euros so far and to whom I shall need to pay at least 1.000.00.Euros more and I await the Spanish Court.

At this moment, January 2011, no-one has any idea when my turn might be.
I pay all the expenses pertaining to my house, he lives there, paying nothing whilst I have stay where I can.

And please don't think this has anything to do with being "non-Spanish".......

I heard of a Spanish man, who lives in his car, parked outside his own apartment,
where-in a squatter lives in comfort. Just before Christmas, a Spanish couple, not young, finally regained their home after more than a year.......there are thousands of cases like this, all over Spain. It clearly states, in the Spanish Constitution, that it is a criminal offence to deprive an "individual" of their rightful abode.

But it is the squatters who are gaining from this Law, not the home-owners.
Why don't they change the Law ? That is a good question.
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I can answer your question ; as to why the owners go on paying for the Utilities in their occupied houses : it's against the LAW to turn the Utilities off, thus depriving their squatter/s of their "Human rights" to water, lighting, heating, etc.

I have had a squatter living in my home for almost a year.

He broke in, changed the lock on the patio door and bolted the main door, having removed both the lock and handle, leaving two rather large holes in the very heavy wooden door to greet the Police, called when we discovered someone was in the house, without permission, refusing to open the door.

When the Police arrived he then flung open the main ( holed,lock and handle-less )
door with a flourish, crying "Hello (to me ) how nice of you to come and visit !"

This, after hiding in the house, for about an hour and refusing to answer to the knocking of myself, my friend just arrived from Norway to stay with me and my two Finnish friends who live next door. And two Policemen.

He claimed that he had a "verbal contract" (as valid in Law as a written contract )
TO LIVE IN MY HOUSE FOR THREE YEARS.
At this point I did not even know this person's name.

I do now : BARTOLOME SANCHEZ SANCHEZ.

About 35 and a gardener, from Agua Dulce, but living in Fuengirola for some years.
Ex boyfriend of Cordelia, late of "La Cepa" in Constitution Plaza, Fuengirola.
( I hasten to say, I don't think she has anything to do with this )

When I went to go in, to fetch my deeds to show ownership of my home, the Police told me I had no "right to enter" as he was "in possession" and further-more they advised me to stay well clear of him, as they thought him "unstable".

I was left with one change of clothes, in the garments and shoes I stood in.
All my possessions where, and may or may not be, in my house.

I have a Lawyer, to whom I have paid 2.000.00.Euros so far and to whom I shall need to pay at least 1.000.00.Euros more and I await the Spanish Court.

At this moment, January 2011, no-one has any idea when my turn might be.
I pay all the expenses pertaining to my house, he lives there, paying nothing whilst I have stay where I can.

And please don't think this has anything to do with being "non-Spanish".......

I heard of a Spanish man, who lives in his car, parked outside his own apartment,
where-in a squatter lives in comfort. Just before Christmas, a Spanish couple, not young, finally regained their home after more than a year.......there are thousands of cases like this, all over Spain. It clearly states, in the Spanish Constitution, that it is a criminal offence to deprive an "individual" of their rightful abode.

But it is the squatters who are gaining from this Law, not the home-owners.
Why don't they change the Law ? That is a good question.
What an absolutely dreadful story. I wish you all the luck for the future and hope this idiot gets removed as soon as possible. I must admit it is something we have discussed. We are renting but there is nothing to stop a squatter moving in when we are out. Then do we have to continue to pay the rent until the agreement expires?? Interesting question.

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Gerrit, there is a long history of okupa (occupation of empty abandoned properties) in Barcelona, where squatting is more of a political protest movement than Iit is elsewhere in Spain. You can find out more about this if you Google it.

Squatting has been illegal in Spain since 1996 but it can still be a slow and difficult process to evict squatters, as poor Gael has discovered.

In England, squatting, like trespass, is a civil rather than a criminal offence, but the minute the squatters commits criminal damage (e.g. breaking a lock) the police can act to remove them. In the 70s there were a lot of licensed squats in empty properties, many owned by the state, which the squatters maintained in good order instead of paying rent. This arrangement helped a lot of homeless families and single people, but I believe it no longer happens.

Which is a shame, as it seems to me like a sensible compromise. There are two million empty houses in Spain, and while nobody in a civilised country should be without a roof over their head, nobody should be in the situation Gael is in either.

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500eu and they would be gone this very night !

There are any number of East Europeans who will do the deed while you are meeting the mayor for a free dinner (they will always turn up for a freebie) and let the squatter know just what fate awaits them should they make a complaint.

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Whilst it is true that in a civilised country no-one should be without a roof over their heads we should examine this worthy but abstract ideal and see why in each case a person or family may be homeless.
As it is quite rightly not easy to evict a person from their home either in the UK or Spain there are reasons why this happens.
People who are unable to meet rent or mortgage obligations for reasons beyond their control should be protected and usually are by way of Housing Benefit and so on.
Others who merely assume they have the right to enjoy occupation of a property at someone else's expense have no right to live in said property.
Many squatters wish to enjoy a so-called 'alternative' lifestyle at someone else's expense and justify this by vague concepts such as 'property is theft' and so on.
They are essentially freeloaders, idle parasites who live off the legitimate labours of others.
The former Socialist countries of the Soviet bloc recognised this and made this kind of idle essentially capitalist lifestyle a crime punishable by imprisonment.

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Thinking about the law in Spain.....the rented property we live in is our only home - we sold other properties before leaving the UK.
So...am I right in assuming that our landlord has no right whatsoever to evict us?

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