As from roughly March last year (2007) it is now a legal requirement for you in Spain to have a residency certificate. Before that date it was not necessary, but the EU pushed Spain into a corner and this is the way they reacted.
So ..... as soon as you are resident in this country you need to apply, usually to your local Police station, for said certificate within 90 days
as of July 2011 the forms are as follows:
EX15 for NIE only, without registering as resident
EX18 for residents list for EU citizens
EX19 for residents list for family of EU citizens
& here's a link to a list of the oficinas de extranjeros, which is where you take them
You have 30 days from when you arrive in the country with the intention to live here. A lot of town halls are not allowing you to sign on the padron unless you have a certificate now, and I have heard of some people not being able to register a car in their name without one
I'm intending to live out there for up to 3 months possibly more using my sons place as a base whilst we look around at areas we may want to settle down in, as we are looking to live there permanently when we decide which part we want to settle down in, my income will be from my business in the uk, so do I need to bother with a residency cert. or should i become a resident even though i am not yet permanently living there, also i believe i cant buy a car in spain if i am not a resident is that true if so what is the best way of having a car to use whilst i am there. any help is appreciated.
If it's only 3 months then you probably shouldn't bother with too much bureaucracy. It'll take you up until you leave to get it all sorted out completely legitimately. As Stravinsky mentioned, it's pretty much a long holiday, not residency - so no reason to get a residency card, right?
Are you planning to buy a car? You should consider contacting some of the larger rental agencies to see if they do long term rentals. Otherwise, take yourself directly to a sales lot and they will help you sort it out better than anyone else (they're extremely motivated, right?).
So.... How long do you have to be there before you register?
We are planning to come over in June until the end of October to sing. Do we need to regester?
We plan on coming back to the UK for November and December, then going back to Spain to live permenantly then.
If you're coming here to live then you have to register within 3o days arguably, although many people treat it as 6 months. Speaking realistically you could wait until you return, and in that way if you have a UK reg car it gives you a bit more time as you are not resident in effect
As from roughly March last year (2007) it is now a legal requirement for you in Spain to have a residency certificate. Before that date it was not necessary, but the EU pushed Spain into a corner and this is the way they reacted.
So ..... as soon as you are resident in this country you need to apply, usually to your local Police station, for said certificate.
You need to complete Form EX 16 and then queue normally for a very long time. After the form is accepted they will give you a payment slip which you take to the nearest bank. Take the slip back to the Police station and they will issue you with the certificate. The cost is about €6.25, and you dont need photographs. Take your passport and you padron certificate.
Note this is put out by MADRID REGIONAL COUNCIL but as it is homologated in the Ministry of Statistics which is Federal - any differences MUST be small.
Note what it says on how the length of time you're registered CAN be used for prioritising applications.
Its like signing on with your local council so they know you are in residence on their patch. They get funding normally dependent on the number of people registered in their area so they are usually pleased to see you.
You go to your local town hall to register and you are issued with a certificate which you may get asked for when dealing with different parts of officialdom
well i worked in spain in 2005 - 2006 so was issued a NIE by my workplace but i dont know what it is is there any way of tracking this down or should i just get re isssued
I have been informed by a few different people that if my husband and I start our own business and register for self employment we will then be covered automatically by the system and therefore no need to apply for residencia. Can anyone tell me if this is correct as there are lots of different sites with very different advice on!!
If you are resident in Spain then you need a residencia certificate. Yes, if you are paying into the system you will be covered for health, but the residencia is not to do with health.
It doesn't matter if you are an EU citizen ..... you still need one expatspain
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You wont have to pay CGT if you sell and are of official pensionable age, or if you reinvest in another house.
Theoretically in your position your buyer will have to withold the tax from your payment. I'm not sure that being a resident will make any difference to you now as the tax is the same for residents and non residents now (18% I think but check that) .... its more to do with your age
its completely unclear if you need residence permit. Do you need one or don't you??? there are lots of opinions some say yes and some say no, also confusing when you have a thread that starts off talking about forms then goes of on a tangent talking about tax
I got a form for NIE of another site and was told this is ok to use for NIE application and the local police wouldn't acccept this, i had to fill out there own form and go back again to the police station. The good thing is that although they only gave out so many tickets i waited an extra hour when others left and got a ticket, so it is possible to get a ticket once the people who didn't get one go home
Its not unclear
Its only unclear if you listen to these huge numbers of expats out there that think they know everything and still drive around in UK reg cars after 10 years
You need a residence certificate to be legal here
The download here afaik is the up to date one.
I've been told you get a combined NIE & residencia certificate nowadays
i got a form which has my NIE number on today but the certificate says "I have been registered on the register (el registro central de Extranjeros) and it also says (como residente comunitario en espana) does this mean this is a residence certificate plus my NIE??
I do not think so! The "certificado de Registro de Cuidadano de la Union" is a separate document. It is of blue color and has the above written title. But really, since not even the civil servants know, I can not give a 100% guaranty answer. A Spanish lawyer told me: "The law and regulation really depends on the civil servant which is attending you...
All this is a tad confusing. I thought getting a Residency Permit in the Czech Republic was complicated and time-consuming.....so in the end I paid someone £200 to get it for me. I have never been asked to show it to police etc and when I present it with my passport when I arrive at Prague airport from my regular UK trips it is brushed aside with disinterest - not even glanced at.
I have made use of it only once, when I registered a car I bought. Before I got the Permit, I asked a Czech friend to register our other car in her name. I could have asked her to register the second one too. So the Permit is something you can live without here.
I understand that it's different in Spain so could someone please tell me EXACTLY what I need to do in the way of permits, certificates etc. so that I may legitimately do the following things as soon as we arrive in December:
register two vehicles, both lhd, both on UK plates and full Europe-wide insurance, both in my ownership for longer than six months and both with European Certificates of Conformity;
get an internet service provider sorted;
possibly -not definitely- open a Spanish bank account. I'm not sure whether I'll need to do this as we have off-shore and Czech bank euro accounts. Advice would be welcomed.
We will be permanently resident in Spain as soon as we find a suitable villa/finca. Just as we've done in the Czech Republic, we'll do what we have to to meet all legal requirements. We'll do it ourselves if possible, if not or if it involves hours and hours of standing in queues then we'll seek paid assistance, as we did here.
Nobody can tell you what you will need! There are exact regulation and agreements, which are signed by the European Community between third countries and Spain. The Spanish representations in the different countries do either no know about them or they prefer to make their own. As far as I know, there is not much we can due about this. If someone has some ideas, please let me know.
Just one sample about my own experience: I am a Swiss citizen. The regulation between Switzerland and Spain is absolutely clear and transparent. Swiss citizens and their family members, whatever nationals they are, have the right to reside in Spain without any further requirements, as long as the marriage is legal in Europe - which is my case -. My wife is stuck in the Philippines and cannot come to Spain. The Spanish consulate does ask her to make some medical tests and to bring a bunch of documents, which are not required by the bilateral regulation. It is impossible to contact the consulate otherwise as by calling a call center, with girls answering, which do not care and not understand your problem. They usually give you an appointment in six weeks from the time you call. This is the way it works.
What I do know is that EU citizens have the right to reside in another EU member state for 90 days. I believe that procedures for acquiring residency permits vary from state to state. Here one mayapply for temporary residence after this period, then after a further three years for permanent residence. If you are working, there are further requirements.
But since no-one stamps your passport at the airport control or even stops your car when you exit the Czech Republic for Germany, Austria etc etc there is no way of knowing whether you have spent ninety unbroken days here.
It will be interesting to see what happens when we reach the Spanish border by car. Friends who drove from the UK to Prague this summer passed through France, Belgium, Germany and the Czech Republic without one stop at a border control.
It does make one wonder what the point of all this bureaucracy is.
Even when stopped by traffic police here I've never been asked to show any proof of residency -or non-residency, for that matter.
You are right. As long as you travel trough this countries by car, there is most probably no problem at all. But if you want to enter the EU by air, this is another story.
But here just another funny story, which happened to me 10 years, while first applying for residence in Spain. I was waiting in line, and in front of me was a north African man. When his turn came, he did ask for a working permit. The civil servant did ask him about his NIE. He did not know what this was... So she did ask for his residency, ID or passeport. He did not own any of those things... She told him politely that in this case he could not apply for a work permit. The man walked out the office, as he did enter.....
I am sill confused about certain aspects of Residency, can someone help ? If you apply for Spanish residency but remain in the U.K. for more than 183 days a year where you work, pay your taxes etc. are you still entitled to U.K. NHS facilities etc, and, because you are not in Spain for more than 183 days am I right in thinking that it is correct to pay taxes in the U.K. rather than in Spain. I ask because I intend to live permenantly in Spain in a year or so but wish to import a UK regd car now and avoid 14.75% Registation tax of approx 1200 Euros by registering as a resident now.
I have now confirmed that my 5hrs waiting for what i thought was just my NIE number is in fact a combined NIE and residence certificate, all the threads and forums made it all sound so complicated ond seriously put me off but its done now and out the way
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Not sure why someone would not want to register residency. Help me out here.[/QUOTE said:
Well, if the situation is similar to that here in the Czech Republic, I certainly can
Paying £200 or alternatively queueing for hours for a document you will need only if you wish to register a car or get a mobile contract is quite offputting.
Especially as the queueing system in Prague is now allegedly controlled by the Russian mafia.
Most expats here get friends to register their car etc - insurance isn't adversely affected. You don't need proof of residence to open a bank account either.
I asked what I have to do as I need to register cars and get other things sorted and as yet I don't have helpful friends in Spain to do these things for me!
I'd rather be self-sufficient, anyway.
I am sure there are other reasons to become a resident, such as tax requirements, health benefits, etc. Waiting in lines are just part of the process and if it has to be done it has to be done. Better safe than sorry.
I would think that being a resident qualifies the resident country for funds from the EU based on numbers. So why not have to money issued to the country in which you live. Makes sense to me.
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