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Old 30th June 2020, 05:23 PM
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How safe from being infected by virus do you feel in your everyday life by now? Reading Spanish newspapers I got a feeling that some Spaniards cannot support any more strict rules and they started to organize parties in their houses, do not keep a social distance, etc.
May be it is just a staff that journalists choose to publish! However, it is so frustrating to depend from individual responsibility of other people who may be not responsible at all. Even if a police can control beaches, as I suppose, there are many other occasions when one can be put at risk.

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The residents here in Benidorm, both Spanish and other nations expats have worked hard to stick to the rules that have been enforced.

There will always be stories of rule breakers in the local and international newspapers....that's what sells.

Now the strict lockdown has been lifted I feel safe enough, at the moment. The problem now is the tourists especially from the U.K. are being allowed back in and are likely to reinfect the residents. We here expect to be back into lockdown before year end.

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The residents here in Benidorm, both Spanish and other nations expats have worked hard to stick to the rules that have been enforced.

There will always be stories of rule breakers in the local and international newspapers....that's what sells.

Now the strict lockdown has been lifted I feel safe enough, at the moment. The problem now is the tourists especially from the U.K. are being allowed back in and are likely to reinfect the residents. We here expect to be back into lockdown before year end.

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Spain has had one of the most restrictive lockdowns and generally speaking people have been very good about following the rules judging from news reports about different areas of Spain and the slowing don of infection rates

In my area however in the last 10 days I have seen a massive relaxation with fewer and fewer people wearing masks and keeping their distance in the street. I have seen people stopping and shaking hands and worryingly whole families out and about with no masks and little regard for others. I think the heat which has hit in the last few days, and confinement rules being relaxed like pools opening and the beaches too has helped generate a false sense of security.
I wouldn't be surprised if people didn't keep up with the news any more after nearly 4 months of nothing but Covid 19 filling every news channel. It seem like it's all become a bit too much.
We are receiving very conflicting ideas too and this is all down to economics. On one hand it's the idea of opening up business like shopping centres, import/ export, factories and above all tourism, but on the other hand it's outbreaks all over Spain, except Asturias, so is it safe to be out and about? It would appear not.
I don't think the tourists will help the problem, wherever they are from, but I don't think the present attitude of the residents in Spain themselves is going to help keep infection rates down either
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Spain has had one of the most restrictive lockdowns and generally speaking people have been very good about following the rules judging from news reports about different areas of Spain and the slowing don of infection rates

In my area however in the last 10 days I have seen a massive relaxation with fewer and fewer people wearing masks and keeping their distance in the street.
Yes, there has been a massive relaxation - though here the majority still wear masks when they need to - remember that the social distance has now dropped to 1.5m. In my part of the town it's almost impossible to walk without one most of the time.


My daughter & others have witnessed what are almost certainly tourists (you get good at spotting them) being refused entry to supermarkets & other shops if they aren't wearing a mask & also entry to bar terraces.



My town with a usual population of +/- 27,000 has had cases to date confirmed as 12 contagions (down from the originally thought 20) & 2 deaths. No new cases in the last two months.

In a normal summer our population rises to nearer 100.000. We aren't expecting that to happen to quite that extent this year, but obviously we're concerned that we could well end up locked down again by the end of the summer, simply because anyone who has travelled, especially by plane, will have been in contact with who knows how many others who might well be carriers - even without knowing. Holidaymakers don't go on holiday to stay in.


The OP's point about what people do in their own homes is of course also a concern. House parties are not against the law, not even in the 'new normal'.

I guess all we can do is look after ourselves as best we can & hope that the majority do the same.
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I share this concern on the "relaxation" and my wife and I have a theory:

I have mentioned before an area in my part of Madrid that has large terrazas where people (many hundreds) gather to eat and drink. This area has been very busy as you'd expect after lockdown and considering the weather.

But we are seeing two things:

A worrying number of people in that area especially who don't wear masks and have no regard for social distancing or any other form of protection, acting in a totally selfish manner.

A rise in young(ish) 25 - 35 year old, mainly male groups of between 6 and 12 people at this area, who previously were not really part of the customer base (traditionally it has been an area frequented by families with young children and older people).

And, surprise surprise these two things are related, it is exactly this new group of customers who are not toeing the line on Covid norms, it seems to be a sign of bravado to disregard the rules.

We think it is because their normal social lives are still disrupted and they can't go to the clubs / bars that they would have probably preferred to go to. The sooner they let clubs, and late night bars open again, the better in my opinion, then hopefully these people can mix amongst themselves and infect each other at will. Although I do feel sorry for their parents and grandparents as they will be the ones who suffer the consequences.
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As long as countries like Spain and France allow holiday makers from the UK in there will inevitably be another huge spike of Covid as people in the UK are acting like complete idiots and the government is totally useless and doing nothing to control things.
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Although I do feel sorry for their parents and grandparents as they will be the ones who suffer the consequences.
and the health service personnel who will have to treat them!
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As long as countries like Spain and France allow holiday makers from the UK in there will inevitably be another huge spike of Covid as people in the UK are acting like complete idiots and the government is totally useless and doing nothing to control things.
Well, France is back to normal now and not heard of any spikes there. Looked at BA flights to Nice yesterday and all the dates I checked in July are over £400 return which must indicate they are full as Barcelona on offer at £52 return. We shall drive over and stay in Paris a few days first.

UKs biggest mistake was not controlling the borders like the rest of Europe and also no health checks at the airports. Thousands have been flying in weekly from places like Pakistan, Eastern Europe etc. No surprise that Leicester has a spike as there has been regular flights to local airports.

The Daughter of a friend who lives in London arrived from Bordeaux a few days ago. She was contacted by the new phone checking the day after and wasn’t in, had gone shopping! Contacted 24 hours later and answered.

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I live in a small town (pop 5000) 40km from the nearest city, no active Covid cases since March, very few tourists apart from a few holiday home owners (some of whom will be coming over later this month). I feel very safe here but have no desire to go anywhere outside the town.

Most older people wear their masks all the time, even when they don't have to. Some are still not leaving the house. There is a lot of fear, not surprising after being told day after day that they are at risk. Younger people seem less concerned.

People of all ages are meeting for drinks in groups, bumping elbows rather than embracing, then removing their masks while they chat. This does seem to beg the question of why wear them at all, but I suppose it's about risk reduction rather than elimination.

If there is another lockdown I think there would be a mixed reaction, probably on generational lines.

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As long as countries like Spain and France allow holiday makers from the UK in there will inevitably be another huge spike of Covid as people in the UK are acting like complete idiots and the government is totally useless and doing nothing to control things.
Why? Back on May 25th bank holiday weekend and the hot weather the press was full of reports of beaches jam packed with people, nobody in masks, precious few social distancing, then at the beginning of June the start of all the BLM protest marches across the UK. Here we are a month later and no "huge spike" has been evident.
But I do agree many in the U.K are acting with total disregard.

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