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Old 27th January 2020, 08:31 AM
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I am not au fait with Spanish nationality law but there is a distinction between being a dual national at birth and applying for another nationality later, such as naturalisation. Many countries allow the former but not the latter without first renouncing the existing citizenship. Also there is a distinction between having a particular nationality and applying for a passport. I would assume that in Spain if someone is a dual national because of parentage (e.g. with British father and Spanish mother), it is quite in order to apply and obtain Spanish passport provided you don't get British passport as well. UK won't care if you have any other nationality but Spain does and you must take care not to mix the two or let them know you are holding and using both. Is that the situation? Some countries like Japan allow those born with dual or multiple nationality to hold multiple citizenships until adulthood, when an election has to be made to keep Japanese and renounce all other nationalities or retain foreign citizenship and renounce Japanese nationality. In actual fact a lot of people in such situations, especially those born in US of Japanese parentage because of jus soli law in US (anyone born in US is a citizen regardless of parentage), just don't bother with renunciation and keep on holding multiple nationality and passports. There is no penalty attached so they just keep quiet about holding foreign passport when dealing with Japanese authorities.


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Also there is a distinction between having a particular nationality and applying for a passport.
Honestly, your entire post gives an interesting perspective, but this one line really makes me curious. What distinction is made? and by whom?

My understanding was that when my wife obtained her Spanish passport, she became fully Spanish for all legal points of view. Is this not the case?

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Thanks for the replies

I was born in the UK, but also registered at the Spanish consulate here. I used to have a Spanish passport (needs renewing), and I think they said that means I have a DNI, too, but not 100%.

I'm also in the Spanish 'familia book' etc.

Sounds like it's quite a complex situation, so I think the first thing I'll do, is renew my Spanish passport & see if I have a DNI too (consulate in London said if I had a Spanish passport, I will have a DNI - but that I need to contact the consulate in Scotland... which is odd, as I was registered at the consulate in Manchester!).

Fingers crossed on that one.

Still hoping I'd be able to be referred to the hospital of choice if/when I moved there, but that's sounding less likely it seems, unless I know the capture areas which I'm not sure how I find out about in Catalonia (Valencia).

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While it's true that Spain doesn't rescognise dual nationality with Britain, Britain does - so it's possible that the OP could be Spanish & have later taken British nationality without formally renouncing the Spanish one!

Brits who have taken Spanish nationality but not formaally renounced to Britain, can still have a Britiah passport. Britain doesn't consider that you've renounced unless it is to Britain. The renouncing you do when you take Spanish nationality doesn't count as far as Britain is concerned. You couldn't make it up!

If he has a Spanish passport & DNI then he should always use that to enter & leave Spain.

A Spanish national is entitled to access the healthcare system. That's it. No need to have worked, no need to have lived here previously. Paperwork needs to be done, but that's all.

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My passport is due to parentage and I have never lived there, that's true. I believe (according to the consulate in London), that I should have a DNI though. I need to renew the passport (in Scotland, London said!), then I guess I'll find out when I call/email them.


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Whether British or Spanish there is no direct link between paying tax and entitlement to healthcare.

Also AFAIK Spain does not permit dual nationality so I think you need to check out that side of things first.

Not sure how it works in detail but if your Spanish nationalty is technical - due simply to parentage for example - and you have never lived or worked in the country it's possible it may not qualify you for health care.

As a rough parallel I believe that British nationals who have entitlement to Irish passports through parentage, and have gone down that route to overcome post Brexit free movement restrictions, cannot benefit from Irish healthcare - and a potential transfer to Spain - unless they are registered for it for which they have to have actually lived there for a year.

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Thanks for the reply, very interesting!

Re: quality of care and so much variation, that sounds a bit scary! Is there any trend (areas or rural vs more urban)?

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I have dual uk and Irish nationality. No problem in spain with that combination.

Spain in general do not permit dual Spanish and another nationality, However, there are a few exceptions so you either need to check that out toser of that includes you, or never carry your two passports at the same time

As for which hospital. I am 80 so have a number of things which need attention ! I have been referred by my GP to a few different hospital depending on which the GP decides is appropriate

PS. From mine, family and friends experience over my 30 years here, the quality of the treatment has varied from excellent to appalling/ dangerous. So good luck

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Wow, a lot to think about!

My story is that I was born in the UK to an English mother, Spanish father. My birth was registered at the Spanish Consulate but not until I was, hmmm 16 or so. I then was given a Spanish passport (and I was entered into the Spanish family book then, too). I still have family there etc.

Not sure what that entitles me to? I guess I'll first renew the Spanish passport and find out

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I am not au fait with Spanish nationality law but there is a distinction between being a dual national at birth and applying for another nationality later, such as naturalisation. Many countries allow the former but not the latter without first renouncing the existing citizenship. Also there is a distinction between having a particular nationality and applying for a passport. I would assume that in Spain if someone is a dual national because of parentage (e.g. with British father and Spanish mother), it is quite in order to apply and obtain Spanish passport provided you don't get British passport as well. UK won't care if you have any other nationality but Spain does and you must take care not to mix the two or let them know you are holding and using both. Is that the situation? Some countries like Japan allow those born with dual or multiple nationality to hold multiple citizenships until adulthood, when an election has to be made to keep Japanese and renounce all other nationalities or retain foreign citizenship and renounce Japanese nationality. In actual fact a lot of people in such situations, especially those born in US of Japanese parentage because of jus soli law in US (anyone born in US is a citizen regardless of parentage), just don't bother with renunciation and keep on holding multiple nationality and passports. There is no penalty attached so they just keep quiet about holding foreign passport when dealing with Japanese authorities.

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Oh, and I have the Spanish family book in hand (which my sister recently used to get her Spanish passport for the first time, a few months ago. I had one when I was 16 or 17. I'm now 42).

Not sure if that helps

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I am not au fait with Spanish nationality law but there is a distinction between being a dual national at birth and applying for another nationality later, such as naturalisation. Many countries allow the former but not the latter without first renouncing the existing citizenship. Also there is a distinction between having a particular nationality and applying for a passport. I would assume that in Spain if someone is a dual national because of parentage (e.g. with British father and Spanish mother), it is quite in order to apply and obtain Spanish passport provided you don't get British passport as well. UK won't care if you have any other nationality but Spain does and you must take care not to mix the two or let them know you are holding and using both. Is that the situation? Some countries like Japan allow those born with dual or multiple nationality to hold multiple citizenships until adulthood, when an election has to be made to keep Japanese and renounce all other nationalities or retain foreign citizenship and renounce Japanese nationality. In actual fact a lot of people in such situations, especially those born in US of Japanese parentage because of jus soli law in US (anyone born in US is a citizen regardless of parentage), just don't bother with renunciation and keep on holding multiple nationality and passports. There is no penalty attached so they just keep quiet about holding foreign passport when dealing with Japanese authorities.

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The issue concerning dual or multiple-nationals varies and, as I said, I am not familiar with Spanish nationality law, other than what I can glean from Wikipdia.
About applying for your passport in Scotland. Many countries divide UK into consular areas and the consulate that deals with your affairs is the one they designate by your UK address.


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Oh, and I have the Spanish family book in hand (which my sister recently used to get her Spanish passport for the first time, a few months ago. I had one when I was 16 or 17. I'm now 42).

Not sure if that helps
AFAIK you will not have an issue, but in case of disasters, legal issues and the like Spain will not recognise your British nationality and will not give the British consulate access whilst you are located in Spain. As regards health care, I have no idea, but given you have not lived in Spain nor paid into the system you may not have automatic access.
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AFAIK you will not have an issue, but in case of disasters, legal issues and the like Spain will not recognise your British nationality and will not give the British consulate access whilst you are located in Spain. As regards health care, I have no idea, but given you have not lived in Spain nor paid into the system you may not have automatic access.
I recall that we have/had a forum member from Canada (AllHeart) who obtained Spanish nationality by reason of the fact that her father was Spanish, then moved here. She started to receive health treatment here in Spain (including cancer treatment) immediately despite never having paid Spanish social security.
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