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Old 18th December 2019, 01:06 PM
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Lucky you Skipper

When I was trying to oppose the inspector in charge in the application office, I spoke to Comisario (the chief of police in that Comisarķa ). He made a call to someone, then said the info I had been given the inspector was correct.

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My wife and I had the same experience at Alcoy police station in 2018. We presented only the completed EX18 form, passport, Modelo 790 form confirming payment of the tasa and the original residency certificate. Interestingly, the lady who handled our applications appeared to be a senior member of staff as she was training a young chap while processing our paperwork and she was interrupted twice by other members of staff seeking advice. She told us that we didn't really need to apply for permanent residence as this was automatic after living continuously in Spain for more than five years but when we explained that we were worried about the implications of Brexit she smiled and happily gave us the new small green cards confirming that we were permanent residents.
I'm just now applying for an update to my paperwork to reflect permanent residence after being here 5 years.

I have to apply in the Estepona office in Malaga, who informed my lawyer this morning 'we are not making appointments until after Brexit at the end of this month (January), and at this stage we do not know what paperwork we will be needing'.

My lawyer confirms that if dealing with immigration central (Madrid), the process is in accordance with EU law - simply passport, pay fee etc then paperwork updated - but that the regional offices rarely know the law and they all have their different requirements, which can change based on who is in charge at the time.

I think the inevitable result is that the regional offices will be even less sure of the law than before, and requirements become even more variable than previously.

i'll update when Estepona inform what documents they want in Feb.

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You will see a link to La Moncloa website. It has now been updated to deal with the UK leaving EU on 31st oc this month. Basically it stresses that anyone who has green card ( registered for residencia) prior to this are not required to do anything. The TIE will be issued to any new registrations after 31st until 30th Dec 2020 under existing EU member requirements. So I short you dont need to apply just now for an appointment ( you can if you want). Given the fact that it is clear that they wish to make appointments only for those who need to get residency before end of transition period it will just make it more difficult if everyone starts to do it. Also you dont need to update for permanent residency it is actually automatic. It's only if you want it stipulated on your card ( however your card is already dated and your information is available to anyone checking.) Finally your green card is not an official identification document. You dont need to carry it ( your spanish driving licence will suffice). As long as you can provide your NIE it will never be needed
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You will see a link to La Moncloa website. It has now been updated to deal with the UK leaving EU on 31st oc this month. Basically it stresses that anyone who has green card ( registered for residencia) prior to this are not required to do anything. The TIE will be issued to any new registrations after 31st until 30th Dec 2020 under existing EU member requirements. So I short you dont need to apply just now for an appointment ( you can if you want). Given the fact that it is clear that they wish to make appointments only for those who need to get residency before end of transition period it will just make it more difficult if everyone starts to do it. Also you dont need to update for permanent residency it is actually automatic. It's only if you want it stipulated on your card ( however your card is already dated and your information is available to anyone checking.) Finally your green card is not an official identification document. You dont need to carry it ( your spanish driving licence will suffice). As long as you can provide your NIE it will never be needed
It might even be that the regional offices end up being more compliant and more consistent than previously given all the updated communication on the subject - here's hoping.

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It should be noted that this update was done just this week and picked up by one of the regulars on this forum on Monday. I sent the link to my ex who works for a big law firm. They were unaware of it but have now started informing uk clients as to the arrangements. Therefore we can assume that some lawyers and assessors are not super aware of things and are still telling clients to arrange for new appointments when they are not necessary.
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You dont need to carry it ( your spanish driving licence will suffice). As long as you can provide your NIE it will never be needed
You may not need to carry it at all times to serve as ID, but there are circumstances in which it will be requested by the police. For example, I went to the Comisaria de Policia Nacional to make a denuncia following a break-in and had to produce it there as well as my passport (I don't have a driving licence).

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The reason the police request ones NIE when you are making a report is because your details are on line so can be copied and thus it saves them time. It is of course shown on ones Spanish D/L. So that will usually work too.

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