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AdeP 8th November 2019 11:58 AM

Locked out with key in inside lock!
 
Somewhat embarassing! :o

We closed the only/front door to our apartment with the key in the lock on the inside. Ooopsie! :o

From the outside the key goes in but won't rotate.
As we were leaving to the airport to go home we just had to leave it.
So it's left "pulled to" only, no dead locking.

Not a massive problem, we'll just have to call a cerrajero on the next visit but was wondering if anyone had any other tips/bright ideas?

Dunno if a soft piece of plastic/credit card might work, the latch orientation should be in our favour??

As it's newish (less that 5 years old) the door/frame is quite close fitting, one of those heavy white doors that deadbolts in a few places with the flat "dimple" type key lock.

Overandout 8th November 2019 12:16 PM

On a newer door, the the jamb of the door should be designed to prevent the "credit card" trick, but it's worth a try.
I guess it's very unlikely, but if the inner and outer lock barrels "communicate", there may be a chance to push the key out from the outside, maybe with a thin sturdy wire?

Other than that I think you're looking at a heft bill from the locksmith...

Juan C 8th November 2019 12:21 PM

I found that spraying the ‘gap’ with WD 40 or similar makes it much easier to slip a piece of ‘stiffish’ plastic in. Push the plastic through the gap above the latch, and work it downwards so that it engages with the latch diagonally.

Kicking the door when pushing down on the plastic also helps to ‘jump’ the door open.

PS. Ex ray film is a very good material to use as it is flexible, strong and big enough to manipulate

If all else fails, unless you have a reinforced barrel, drilling the lock, just below the key hole, will snap off the locking pins. You can then unlock with a screwdriver or similar tool.

A cordless drill with 0.25 inch HSS bit has always worked for me

Either MO is a lot cheaper than a locksmith. With just a new barrel required. They range from a few euros upwards.

However check your house insurance it may include the services of a locksmith

Juan C 8th November 2019 12:42 PM

Further to my post

In my apartment, having accidentally locked myself out with keys in the lock, just like the OP. I used a small screw to wedge the latch in. That way we can only close the door using a key.

davexf 8th November 2019 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan C (Post 14985024)
Further to my post

In my apartment, having accidentally locked myself out with keys in the lock, just like the OP. I used a small screw to wedge the latch in. That way we can only close the door using a key.

Hola,
By far the simplest way of not locking the door is to fit a door handle on the outside; therefore if the door slams in the wind you can simply use the handle to open the door. BUT you have to lock the door with the key to make the house safe.

If, like the OP above, you have a problem, then breaking the lock if comparatively easy - I have done several and it takes less than ten seconds! Normally the barrel protrudes out from the door. Take a strong / large pair of slide slip pliers and grip the protrusion as tight as possible. Now pull and at the same time push down; the lock will break across the weak point. Remove that half of the barrel and insert a screwdriver to turn the "wheel" that engages with the bolt.

If using plastic then an angle of 60 rather than 45 works its magic better. just vibrate the door steadily saying in time now push in, now pull out, now push in etc.

Davexf

Rabbitcat 9th November 2019 06:23 AM

Having also been in the same frustrating and embarrassing position as the OP we now completely remove the front door any time we go out.

We purchased a small trailer on ebay and tow the door on that when out shopping etc

Our new approach also makes it impossible for burglars to open the door- as its always with us.

stevesainty 9th November 2019 08:04 AM

We called in a locksmith who charged us 50€ and took a few seconds with a large piece of flexible plastic. We then changed the bolt for one that accepted a key in both sides of the lock which solves the problem of it happening again.

Juan C 9th November 2019 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevesainty (Post 14985388)
We called in a locksmith who charged us 50€ and took a few seconds with a large piece of flexible plastic. We then changed the bolt for one that accepted a key in both sides of the lock which solves the problem of it happening again.

Bit more expensive, 50€ plus a new lock, than a free piece of plastic and a small screw, but it was the solution for you

MataMata 9th November 2019 08:37 AM

I never did understand the logic behind the key being in on one side preventing a key going in from the other, other than enriching locksmiths what practical or useful purpose can it serve?

I have French doors with a lock like that and the second key goes in bar about 5mm but doesn't push the other one out. It has handles so is not self locking so no risk of getting locked but it is irritating when a stand alone key is in the inside from being locked at night then you go out and try to lock with the key on the car key ring.

baldilocks 9th November 2019 08:41 AM

Interesting that we have a few [ex?] burglars on the forum. :D

Our front door has an annoying lock in that if a key is pushed in on the inside, one cannot use a key from the outside. One has to remember to leave the inside key slightly out.


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