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There are no 'strategies' for spending more than 90 days in a 180 day period.
If you become a third country national every time you enter and exit an EU country you will have to go through passport control/customs and your passport will be stamped and/or scrutinised. If you break the rules there is a distinct possibility you could be banned from entering for x amount of months or years.
Either you become a resident now before brexit happens or you wait and apply for a visa like other third country nationals do.
They look like strategies to me

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90/180 rules are simple and clear.

Unless one wants to hire boat smugglers to get him across.

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Thanks all.

so it looks like becoming a resident is the only real option but does that not just shift the problem to not being able to stay in the UK for long periods in a post exit world?

Hopefully exiting the EU won't happen but if it does I guess I need to decide where I want to spend most of my time and stick with it - assuming (which seems unknown) I can get Spanish residency during the transition period if I decide on Spain.

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Why would you want to spend long periods of time in the UK after becoming resident in Spain ?
Really I see absolutely no problems for you spending a month or two or three in the UK - any longer than that,
then the UK's notoriety for traffic jams and roadworks would drive you up the wall.

Finally don't pin your hopes on any transition period being any longer than until the end of December 2020
in the event of the UK leaving with a deal.

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Why would you want to spend long periods of time in the UK after becoming resident in Spain ?
Really I see absolutely no problems for you spending a month or two or three in the UK - any longer than that,
then the UK's notoriety for traffic jams and roadworks would drive you up the wall.

Finally don't pin your hopes on any transition period being any longer than until the end of December 2020
in the event of the UK leaving with a deal.
He would have to be careful with number of days of being absent from Spain or will loose residency. You cant just go in/out of country as tourist. If you have residency, you need to be resident.

Also, if there is transition period, it wont end 2020. There is build-in provision to extend talks for 2 years or more, if needed. Its already been said that extra 2 year will be needed due to all these delays.

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Thanks all.

so it looks like becoming a resident is the only real option but does that not just shift the problem to not being able to stay in the UK for long periods in a post exit world?

Hopefully exiting the EU won't happen but if it does I guess I need to decide where I want to spend most of my time and stick with it - assuming (which seems unknown) I can get Spanish residency during the transition period if I decide on Spain.

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I don't believe you can move to the EU without a visa during the transition period. As I understand it, the UK will exit (who knows when) and then move into a transition period, if there is a deal, and AFAIK the EU has already issued the rules that will apply during that transition period. If someone thinks differently, perhaps they should include an appropriate link to the information they are relying on.
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I retire next week aged 58 and my plans to buy a place and spend 8-9 months a year there are currently on hold until we get some clarity over whether Brexit will actually happen and the form it will take.

However, assuming the worst and it does happen, are there any strategies you can suggest that would allow spending more than 90/180 days and provide access to reasonably priced healthcare. Is there anything I can be doing now to help try and secure these things?

I could probably afford private healthcare but it would probably be expensive due to a pre-existing condition (controlled hypertension).

I would like to spend 3-4 months a year in the UK and would obviously require health cover whilst here. I will keep our house in the UK - would have to as can't get rid of the kids

Myself and my wife have good NHS / Teachers pensions and quite a lot of savings / investments.

Thanks for any tips / advice.

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Not really answering your question but why 8 or 9 months? If you can limit your visits to around 6 months per year, 2 to 3 months at a time, why not remain UK resident?

Saving & investments have better tax treatment in the UK, you can leave your (spare) UK car in Spain for up to 12 months and you can (currently) use your EHIC card and relatively cheap annual travel insurance to provide health care.

Many people enjoy the ability to visit both the UK and Spain at the optimum times....summer & winter in the UK and spring and autumn in Spain (Spain is Too hot in July & August and bloody cold Jan & Feb, your UK house will be far warmer). Flights are pretty cheap if you can travel light & are not too bothered about dates. We pay around €100 for 2 adults door to door.

Just be thoughtful on the type of property you buy.... lock up & leave, near to airport and manageable. Forget the Fincas/country houses and think about your situation in 10 years time. we have friends that are now trying to sell their Finca to move to an apartment in a village/town. A villa on a decent urbanisation could be a good compromise.

Good luck.
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He would have to be careful with number of days of being absent from Spain or will loose residency. You cant just go in/out of country as tourist. If you have residency, you need to be resident.

Also, if there is transition period, it wont end 2020. There is build-in provision to extend talks for 2 years or more, if needed. Its already been said that extra 2 year will be needed due to all these delays.
You can spend several months at a time outside Spain as a registered resident.

Once you are a 'permanent' resident after 5 years, you can in fact leave for up to 2 years.
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My time in Spain has just reached 5 years today and presumably I am now classed as permanent. So.....what are the benefits or how will I gain from being a permanent resident?

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Steve.

Albeit that the green cert of residence does not say it, you need to apply now to become permanent. It is not automatic

You need to make the appointment online and when you attend the office you will need to prove your income and full medical cover, in the same way you did five years ago

This might help :-


TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE POLICE FOR NIE, E.U. Citizen registration, etc.

As you go through you will find links to the application forms and the payment, at any bank, form

.• GO TO https://sede.administracionespublicas.gob.es/icpplus/

• PROVINCES AVAILABLE: CHOOSE the province where your are living/ staying

• SECTIONS AVAILABLE IN PROVINCE: OPEN PAGE AND SELECT SECTION REQUIRED

e.g. “policía certificado de residente o no residente” (that includes NIE application)
NOTE there is now a special section for UK citizens which must be chosen that is “Polica-Certificada EU (Exclusivamente para Reina Unido)

• ENTER THE DETAILS OF APPLICANT. if you have an NIE show that, if not then show your passport number

• CHOOSE NATIONAL POLICE STATION FOR APPOINTMENT: The one that covers the area where you live
Motivo o tipo de solicitud de la cita, show reason for requesting appointment

• CHOOSE AN APPOINTMENT, AND THEN CONFIRM. If the office you require us not shown that means there are no appointments available at the moment so please try again later

• You must PRINT A COPY OF THE APPOINTMENT, and take it with you to the police station
You can find info here in english about completing the EX15


http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consula...0-%20GUIDE.pdf
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I don't believe you can move to the EU without a visa during the transition period. As I understand it, the UK will exit (who knows when) and then move into a transition period, if there is a deal, and AFAIK the EU has already issued the rules that will apply during that transition period. If someone thinks differently, perhaps they should include an appropriate link to the information they are relying on.
All the rules remain the same for EU citizens who move to the UK and take up residence in Britain and of course for
British citizens who move to one of the EU 27 countries and take up residence during the transition period.
So we've been told by HMG & the EU.
No visa required during the transition period therefore the only difference is that British MEP's will no longer sit
in the European Parliament.

Of course if Britain leaves the EU without a deal - then there's no transition period at all.

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