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Re the double taxation agreement between U.K. and spain.

If tax resident in Spain, with the exception of crown pensions and income from rental in U.K. which are taxable only in U.K. all other income is taxable only in spain. No choice of where one pays !

Even crown pension income must be declared in spain as does rental income. However although not taxable in spain, those incomes are taken into consideration. In my case it results in me starting to pay spanish tax at 29% from the first euro of my other income, U.K. OAP, bank interest, premium bonds winnings ( I wish) etc
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As an EU citizen, you will need to register as a resident in Spain if you wish to be here more than 90 days continuously. More than 182 days in a year and you become a tax resident automatically and Spain taxes you on your worldwide income. Presumably you will not qualify for a S1 so you will need to have private medical insurance with no co-pay and the cost of this may depend on pre-existing conditions.
Hi. I understand the numbers regarding the 183 day thing. But what's the difference between Tax Residency and Non-Tax Residency regarding the actual procedure (evidence needed etc.).

I was told that it was impossible to get residency without tax residency as spending more than 6 months out of the country would void any Residency status. I'm confused.

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If one moves to Spain (makes it their centre of economic activity) they become tax resident immediately. That of course includes persons who come and seek or take work here, or in the case of say a wife and family of a person who works elsewhere who move here. Then the husband (spouse) is deemed to be tax resident, unless in very exceptional circumstances he/she can pursued the tax authorities otherwise. That is so even the spouse may never set foot in Spain.


The 183 rules is subservient to that

If the tax authorities say you are tax resident then you need to prove you’re not (guilty until proven innocent).
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Hi. I understand the numbers regarding the 183 day thing. But what's the difference between Tax Residency and Non-Tax Residency regarding the actual procedure (evidence needed etc.).

I was told that it was impossible to get residency without tax residency as spending more than 6 months out of the country would void any Residency status. I'm confused.
You are tax-resident automatically if you spend more than 50% of a calendar year in Spain. That is, you have to do a declaration for that calendar year in the following May-June.

"Residency" is a bit of a misnomer as it currently means you have a certificate (or card) confirming that you are on the register of EU citizens resident in Spain. You are supposed to do this after 3 months if you intend to live in Spain permanently. It gives you the same rights as Spanish citizens and is not connected to tax.

That's my understanding anyway!

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I retire next week aged 58 and my plans to buy a place and spend 8-9 months a year there are currently on hold until we get some clarity over whether Brexit will actually happen and the form it will take.

However, assuming the worst and it does happen, are there any strategies you can suggest that would allow spending more than 90/180 days and provide access to reasonably priced healthcare. Is there anything I can be doing now to help try and secure these things?

I could probably afford private healthcare but it would probably be expensive due to a pre-existing condition (controlled hypertension).

I would like to spend 3-4 months a year in the UK and would obviously require health cover whilst here. I will keep our house in the UK - would have to as can't get rid of the kids

Myself and my wife have good NHS / Teachers pensions and quite a lot of savings / investments.

Thanks for any tips / advice.

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Just do the right thing. If you want to take advantage of the good things Spain has to offer, accept its rules. In your own words, you can afford early retirement and have quite alot of savings, so whats the problem.
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Just do the right thing. If you want to take advantage of the good things Spain has to offer, accept its rules. In your own words, you can afford early retirement and have quite alot of savings, so whats the problem.
Errr, thanks but that very much depends on what the right thing is

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I retire next week aged 58 and my plans to buy a place and spend 8-9 months a year there are currently on hold until we get some clarity over whether Brexit will actually happen and the form it will take.

However, assuming the worst and it does happen, are there any strategies you can suggest that would allow spending more than 90/180 days and provide access to reasonably priced healthcare. Is there anything I can be doing now to help try and secure these things?

I could probably afford private healthcare but it would probably be expensive due to a pre-existing condition (controlled hypertension).

I would like to spend 3-4 months a year in the UK and would obviously require health cover whilst here. I will keep our house in the UK - would have to as can't get rid of the kids

Myself and my wife have good NHS / Teachers pensions and quite a lot of savings / investments.

Thanks for any tips / advice.

R.
There are no 'strategies' for spending more than 90 days in a 180 day period.
If you become a third country national every time you enter and exit an EU country you will have to go through passport control/customs and your passport will be stamped and/or scrutinised. If you break the rules there is a distinct possibility you could be banned from entering for x amount of months or years.
Either you become a resident now before brexit happens or you wait and apply for a visa like other third country nationals do.
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There are no 'strategies' for spending more than 90 days in a 180 day period.
If you become a third country national every time you enter and exit an EU country you will have to go through passport control/customs and your passport will be stamped and/or scrutinised. If you break the rules there is a distinct possibility you could be banned from entering for x amount of months or years.
Either you become a resident now before brexit happens or you wait and apply for a visa like other third country nationals do.
Quiite right Tigerlillie - why shilly-shally ( sit on the fence ) any longer and go for Spanish residency asap while you still count as an EU-Citizen - you know
it makes sense rather than incur the wrath of 3rd country national rules.

As sure as night follows day - BJ's not going to do you any favours by hanging on.

The only Brit's I know that are dithering, are those Brit's who at the end of the day will always say; well I never wanted to move or retire to Spain anyway.
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Quiite right Tigerlillie - why shilly-shally ( sit on the fence ) any longer and go for Spanish residency asap while you still count as an EU-Citizen - you know
it makes sense rather than incur the wrath of 3rd country national rules.

As sure as night follows day - BJ's not going to do you any favours by hanging on.

The only Brit's I know that are dithering, are those Brit's who at the end of the day will always say; well I never wanted to move or retire to Spain anyway.
and those who have been living below the radar and avoiding paying their dues, ever since they arrived, afraid that if they put their heads above the parapet, it will cost them a fortune or they will end up in jail. They hope that if they keep quiet there will be another referendum and Brexit will be forgotten so they can continue their lives, cheating the system.
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Thanks all.

so it looks like becoming a resident is the only real option but does that not just shift the problem to not being able to stay in the UK for long periods in a post exit world?

Hopefully exiting the EU won't happen but if it does I guess I need to decide where I want to spend most of my time and stick with it - assuming (which seems unknown) I can get Spanish residency during the transition period if I decide on Spain.

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