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I have not read the full report regarding the police officer, however, had his assailant be armed with a gun of other deadly weapon, and the officer had no reasonable alternative but to shoot him, I am pretty sure he would not be convicted.

That is the situation in U.K. and I believe the same argument would apply in Spain.

It all rests on ‘reasonable’ force.
Ah the good old 'Full Report', when i was learning to be a pilot my instructor used to say to us that whilst you may only have a few seconds to evaluate and react to a dire situation in the cockpit you can be rest assured as the committee will have months in which to pour over your every move before declaring the crash as pilot error lol!!
When I said that it was because in most circumstances I would only give my opinion on a legal matter when I have been able to understand all the circumstances.

From my former job I am very aware of one often having to make a spur of the moment decision.

For that reason when judicially considering a case one would take into consideration the reactions of say a police officer as opposed to an ordinary member of the public who, unlike say a Policia local officer, may never have been trained how to react in stressful situations.

The actions of one could be considered as ‘reasonable’ when the same actions by the other, may not be ‘reasonable.’


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I toured USA for six months in a Motor home. I legally had a hand gun with me. I discovered that the gun laws varied considerably from state to state. Thus whilst in Texas they are relaxed about who one can shoot other states are more restrictive. Anyone quoting ‘what happens in USA’. is probably only speaking of the state they know and not about the laws in other states

PS. In U.K. as police officer I was trained. That was why I was ‘safe’ to have a gun in USA

I believe in spain as in U.K. one can act in self defence providing your actions, and any force used is ‘reasonable.’ Each situation would be looked at in isolation so trying to explain what ‘reasonable’ would be in general is not possible
Where you trained like another members to hold a gun in one hand protecting yourself whilst firing the gun with the other LOL. As an aside, do you have to get a licence if travelling around the USA as non USA citizen to carry a fire arm. I ask out if interest?

I think you have nailed the head on issue, the USA gun laws vary so much from state to state, i suppose like most things. Personally I’m happier living in a country, be it here or U.K. where the public only have the right to bare legs and arms

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Hi Megsmum.

I did not quite follow the one hand comment, but we normally used a two handed grip, which is standard. We did practice one handed with both left and right, on the understanding that if we were injured, or for some other reason could only use one hand, we would stand some chance

In USA I started my trip in Florida. I was not allowed to buy a gun but could legally be given one. A friend supplied the .38 Smith and Weston. I then tried to register my possession, but that was not possible.

When I entered Georgia and Tennessee I asked what the law on carrying a gun was. They were quite different from the laws in Florida and from each other!

However, it took so long for the staff at the state line entry points to find out what he law was, I gave up and never asked when entering the remaining 20+ states.
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Hi Megsmum.

I did not quite follow the one hand comment, but we normally used a two handed grip, which is standard. We did practice one handed with both left and right, on the understanding that if we were injured, or for some other reason could only use one hand, we would stand some chance

In USA I started my trip in Florida. I was not allowed to buy a gun but could legally be given one. A friend supplied the .38 Smith and Weston. I then tried to register my possession, but that was not possible.

When I entered Georgia and Tennessee I asked what the law on carrying a gun was. They were quite different from the laws in Florida and from each other!

However, it took so long for the staff at the state line entry points to find out what he law was, I gave up and never asked when entering the remaining 20+ states.

Interesting , thank you for that response

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be it here or U.K. where the public only have the right to bare legs and arms
I have seen some of the bare legs and arms - you are turning this into a horror movie...
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You’ve been to Benidorm then?
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it took so long for the staff at the state line entry points to find out what he law was, I gave up and never asked when entering the remaining 20+ states.
Be very thankful that you had no ocassion to use it then, wrong time wrong place and you could have found yourself posting from a jail cell or even death row!

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The general crime rates in Spain are about 40% higher, but the homicide rate in the US is about 5-10X higher (depending on who is measuring and how) and you're about 20X more likely to get shot in the US.

So, yes, there is a little more crime in Spain, but it's actually much safer.

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The general crime rates in Spain are about 40% higher, but the homicide rate in the US is about 5-10X higher (depending on who is measuring and how) and you're about 20X more likely to get shot in the US.

So, yes, there is a little more crime in Spain, but it's actually much safer.
I don't think so. Crime rates 40% higher in Spain?

https://www.nationmaster.com/country...d-States/Crime

According to that site crime rates per person in the US are 85-92% higher than Spain. Maybe you can provide some links for your claim.

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I don't think so. Crime rates 40% higher in Spain?

https://www.nationmaster.com/country...d-States/Crime

According to that site crime rates per person in the US are 85-92% higher than Spain. Maybe you can provide some links for your claim.
What a fascinating site!

it looks like the only kind of crimes that are more frequent in Spain are burglary and robbery. Perhaps the fear of being shot is a deterrent in the US. Or maybe they are more likely to involve violence in the US, so are counted in a different category.

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