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The right of a householder to shoot an intruder is one of the policies of Vox, a recently established political party which has not, to date, found much favour with Spanish voters. This report refers to the case of a local police officer in Sevilla who was facing a 20 year prison sentence for doing just that. So no, it is definitely not legal in Spain.

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espan...salto_1900090/

This is the case referred to.

https://www.diariodesevilla.es/sevil...337566365.html
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''you can't shoot people, whatever the reason!'',,,, yes you can, my cousin in Lubbock Texas shot a 'home invader' (in the leg) a couple of years ago, the 'perp' was a known offender, my cousin filled in ONE police form and never heard anymore about it lol!!!!!
Yes, in USA, but a country that doesn’t flinch when 27 six year olds are slaughtered in a primary school and nothing changed , I’m not surprised that anyone can shoot anything or anybody

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Yes, in USA, but a country that doesn’t flinch when 27 six year olds are slaughtered in a primary school and nothing changed , I’m not surprised that anyone can shoot anything or anybody
Ones opinion is ones opinion. Here is another by a person who knows a little more.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/peopl...B&guccounter=2

If you are referring to the same incident them your number is off also, on the children and the fatalities. Maybe you included the perpetrator then your number is correct but wrong on minor count.

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To the original question - guns maybe not here in Spain but you could get some very vicious dogs.. A different satisfaction from protecting your family with a gun but if the dog kills a trespasser than with the proper signage than the worst may be a fine or the dog being put down.

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I toured USA for six months in a Motor home. I legally had a hand gun with me. I discovered that the gun laws varied considerably from state to state. Thus whilst in Texas they are relaxed about who one can shoot other states are more restrictive. Anyone quoting ‘what happens in USA’. is probably only speaking of the state they know and not about the laws in other states

PS. In U.K. as police officer I was trained. That was why I was ‘safe’ to have a gun in USA

I believe in spain as in U.K. one can act in self defence providing your actions, and any force used is ‘reasonable.’ Each situation would be looked at in isolation so trying to explain what ‘reasonable’ would be in general is not possible

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Re guns in America, a few years ago a Democrat (who else) governor/senator tried to get into law a statute that meant that homes that had firearms in them for home protection should A- be on a register available for the public to view.
B- the home was also to be sign posted that there where guns on the premises.
this was being brought in to prevent/ward off any potential burglars etc to stop shootings occurring, this nonsense nearly made it onto the books before it was pointed out to the courts that all the burglars etc would do was use this information to AVOID the homes where the occupants could fight back and to TARGET the homes where they knew there would be little chance of them being stopped , that's the level of competence from the anti-gun brigade lol!!!!!!

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To the original question - guns maybe not here in Spain but you could get some very vicious dogs.. A different satisfaction from protecting your family with a gun but if the dog kills a trespasser than with the proper signage than the worst may be a fine or the dog being put down.
so you would be ok with a child being mauled to death who had just jumped the fence to get their ball back or is scrumping a few apples etc? I think 'the worst' will be a long prison sentence if you knowingly leave a vicious animal loose on your property without supervision and it kills a human. Putting up signs does not abdicate you of any legal responsibilities that you have to members of the public.
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Re guns in America, a few years ago a Democrat (who else) governor/senator tried to get into law a statute that meant that homes that had firearms in them for home protection should A- be on a register available for the public to view.
B- the home was also to be sign posted that there where guns on the premises.
this was being brought in to prevent/ward off any potential burglars etc to stop shootings occurring, this nonsense nearly made it onto the books before it was pointed out to the courts that all the burglars etc would do was use this information to AVOID the homes where the occupants could fight back and to TARGET the homes where they knew there would be little chance of them being stopped , that's the level of competence from the anti-gun brigade lol!!!!!!
With guns numbering 120 per 100 of the population - yes that's 1.2 guns per head for each and every single one of the USA's 330,000,000 people including babies, children, etc. - that would have meant barely a property in the land NOT on the register and NOT displaying a sign.

Pity the poor handful of sods who eschewed guns as they would be getting turned over 3 times a day between meals!
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I have not read the full report regarding the police officer, however, had his assailant be armed with a gun of other deadly weapon, and the officer had no reasonable alternative but to shoot him, I am pretty sure he would not be convicted.

That is the situation in U.K. and I believe the same argument would apply in Spain.

It all rests on ‘reasonable’ force.
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I have not read the full report regarding the police officer, however, had his assailant be armed with a gun of other deadly weapon, and the officer had no reasonable alternative but to shoot him, I am pretty sure he would not be convicted.

That is the situation in U.K. and I believe the same argument would apply in Spain.

It all rests on ‘reasonable’ force.
Ah the good old 'Full Report', when i was learning to be a pilot my instructor used to say to us that whilst you may only have a few seconds to evaluate and react to a dire situation in the cockpit you can be rest assured as the committee will have months in which to pour over your every move before declaring the crash as pilot error lol!!

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