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Old 5th July 2019, 07:49 PM
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I don't know the 'official' rules and I am not interested in an argument or daft PMs telling me how clever the PM'er is and how dumb I am , this is like everything else just an observation of my own real life experiences.

We went to a British Consul meeting a couple of months back there was a chap from Brexpats brexpats.es) who posed an interesting question ' Who could pass a driving test in the Uk in English?' No hands went up, I couldn't.

He then went on to suggest that passing a Spanish driving test in Spanish might be a smidgeon trickier and that we would need a Spanish licence in 'n' months. 'n' was a number that may have been bigger than 12 or not. I am sure an expert will let me know. My fear was that if the dreadful, awful, stupid, ridiculous 'B' word actually happens then our UK licences might be useless.

So, we have had the medicals (the 'rules' say we didn't need them but the licence feds said we did), our lawyer sent our licences, photos, and 800 documents off to wherever it was (so much paperwork, I have lost track) - we have temporary permits and are waiting for our Spanish licences.

I don't know if we actually needed to swap our licences, who knows? Maybe its worth thinking about if you don't have a Spanish licence?

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I don't know the 'official' rules and I am not interested in an argument or daft PMs telling me how clever the PM'er is and how dumb I am , this is like everything else just an observation of my own real life experiences.

We went to a British Consul meeting a couple of months back there was a chap from Brexpats brexpats.es) who posed an interesting question ' Who could pass a driving test in the Uk in English?' No hands went up, I couldn't.

He then went on to suggest that passing a Spanish driving test in Spanish might be a smidgeon trickier and that we would need a Spanish licence in 'n' months. 'n' was a number that may have been bigger than 12 or not. I am sure an expert will let me know. My fear was that if the dreadful, awful, stupid, ridiculous 'B' word actually happens then our UK licences might be useless.

So, we have had the medicals (the 'rules' say we didn't need them but the licence feds said we did), our lawyer sent our licences, photos, and 800 documents off to wherever it was (so much paperwork, I have lost track) - we have temporary permits and are waiting for our Spanish licences.

I don't know if we actually needed to swap our licences, who knows? Maybe its worth thinking about if you don't have a Spanish licence?
One advantage of having a Spanish licence is that frequently, it will be accepted as a form of identification and thus save you having to carry your passport with you. I have lived here over ten years and the only time I carry my passport with me is when we go on holiday to a different area. Another advantage of using your Spanish d/l as an identification is it has your NIE number on it. The process of changing is relatively easy, much better than having to do the Spanish driving test. Renewals (over 70) are simple - go to a local testing centre have a quick medical and that's it, your new licence will arrive in the post.

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I don't know the 'official' rules and I am not interested in an argument or daft PMs telling me how clever the PM'er is and how dumb I am , this is like everything else just an observation of my own real life experiences.

We went to a British Consul meeting a couple of months back there was a chap from Brexpats brexpats.es) who posed an interesting question ' Who could pass a driving test in the Uk in English?' No hands went up, I couldn't.

He then went on to suggest that passing a Spanish driving test in Spanish might be a smidgeon trickier and that we would need a Spanish licence in 'n' months. 'n' was a number that may have been bigger than 12 or not. I am sure an expert will let me know. My fear was that if the dreadful, awful, stupid, ridiculous 'B' word actually happens then our UK licences might be useless.

So, we have had the medicals (the 'rules' say we didn't need them but the licence feds said we did), our lawyer sent our licences, photos, and 800 documents off to wherever it was (so much paperwork, I have lost track) - we have temporary permits and are waiting for our Spanish licences.

I don't know if we actually needed to swap our licences, who knows? Maybe its worth thinking about if you don't have a Spanish licence?
Not sure what you mean by your opening sentences (PM on this forum usually means Personal Message), but anyway, here goes.
There are 2 things here, people who are residing in Spain permanently and those who are on holiday. Add to that mix pre and post Brexit, so 4 different possible scenarios, not 2.
Pre Brexit

1. British person on holiday in Spain and wanting to drive.

Nothing special needed.
2. British person who is living in Spain.
After 2 years or before needs to exchange the licence for a Spanish one. This doesn't mean the driver must take the Spanish driving test, which is why it's called exchange (canje), but a medical is required

https://sede.dgt.gob.es/es/tramites-...-europea.shtml
In Spanish. Best to get it translated by a professional translator if there are any doubts.

Post Brexit
1. British person on holiday in Spain and wanting to drive.
You may need an IDP
2. British person who is living in Spain.
Perhaps there will be a special agreement as there is with Serbia, Peru, Andorra, Japan... Or perhaps not and Brits will have to take a test in Spain like Americans have to


That what I understand anyway
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I exchanged my UK D/.L a long time ago. It was straightforward but I don’t remember exactly what I did. At the time I did not speak Spanish. I did the exchange without any help do it was simple

A few years ago a friend from the Philippines who had a philippines DL which he had obtained before he came to spain through a friend of a friend. He could not drive

On coming to spain I helped him to exchange his philippines licence for a spanish one. He needed the licence, he paid the fee and completed the application form at trafico, and the medical cert. His Spanish DL was sent to him two weeks later. He still cannot actually drive although permitted to do so. He hopes one day to get a car and have a friend teach him to drive it.

I post this to prove how simple the process is

I would recommend everyone who has decided to live in spain to exchange their U.K. licence. Apart from the Spanish requirement to do it, if it is lost or needs renewing, then unless one actually lives in U.K. they cannot renew in U.K. and of course cannot drive here unless they have the licence in their possession.
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This piece of advice is to people who have entitlements on their licences over the standard 'car licence', ie HGV, PSV, TRACKED VEHICLES, MOTORBIKE etc. If you still have access to a British address then contact DVLA to inform them that you have lost/missed placed your licence and apply for a replacement, when you replacement licence arrives check that all your entitlements are still on it, this new licence is the one you use day to day ie renting cars etc the old one is put somewhere safe, ''why'' I hear you ask, well here goes,,,,,, many many people who have renewed their licence have found to their horror that entitlements can now be missing and it is up to YOU to prove that you were entitled to it in the first place, how many of you bikers out there could prove that you took and passed the motorbike test 20/30+ years ago?????, my friend back in Britain has just had to re-take his bike test as he couldn't prove he passed 25 years ago. By keeping a genuine past licence you can use this as proof of being entitled to the missing entitlement. As an aside another of my friends received his licence back with a HGV class1 endorsement, he's never even sat in a HGV lol.

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This piece of advice is to people who have entitlements on their licences over the standard 'car licence', ie HGV, PSV, TRACKED VEHICLES, MOTORBIKE etc. If you still have access to a British address then contact DVLA to inform them that you have lost/missed placed your licence and apply for a replacement, when you replacement licence arrives check that all your entitlements are still on it, this new licence is the one you use day to day ie renting cars etc the old one is put somewhere safe, ''why'' I hear you ask, well here goes,,,,,, many many people who have renewed their licence have found to their horror that entitlements can now be missing and it is up to YOU to prove that you were entitled to it in the first place, how many of you bikers out there could prove that you took and passed the motorbike test 20/30+ years ago?????, my friend back in Britain has just had to re-take his bike test as he couldn't prove he passed 25 years ago. By keeping a genuine past licence you can use this as proof of being entitled to the missing entitlement. As an aside another of my friends received his licence back with a HGV class1 endorsement, he's never even sat in a HGV lol.
Rather than committing fraud, why not simply take a photo or scan a copy into your PC (both sides)?
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Rather than committing fraud, why not simply take a photo or scan a copy into your PC (both sides)?
Bearing in mind that photo-editing software is freely available and not much skill is required to use it, would such a photo be acceptable?
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photos or scanning are not accepted, where's the fraud?

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We went to a British Consul meeting a couple of months back there was a chap from Brexpats brexpats.es) who posed an interesting question ' Who could pass a driving test in the Uk in English?' No hands went up, I couldn't.
Assuming the people, who drive, in the audience were just not too shy to answer, I would find that alarming. It might seem to imply they should stop doing so.

I am aware many Brits who drive in Spain have rather little knowledge of how the rules here are different from those in UK. Hardly any have read the ´Normas de Circulación´ (more or less the equivalent to the UK Highway Code) which must be studied by those taking a driving test in Spain to ensure they have enough knowledge to drive safely. Thus one might reasonably assume that those who have never read it should not be driving,

Assuming that is so, then may be it would be wise for Spain to insist one needs to pass the theoretical test before the licence is changed, to prove they have sufficient knowledge to drive safely .

PS One example of how UK and Spain differ are the rules on how one negotiates roundabouts. If you do not know what I mean, that supports what I say !

See http://www.ibexinsure.com/news-item/...about-in-spain

PPS If one does not LIVE in UK they cannot renew their UK D/L. Read the info on the application form . I think the wording is, ´habitually resides in UK.´ Failing to conform to that is a criminal offence under I believe one of the Road Traffic Acts.
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Assuming the people, who drive, in the audience were just not too shy to answer, I would find that alarming. It might seem to imply they should stop doing so.

I am aware many Brits who drive in Spain have rather little knowledge of how the rules here are different from those in UK. Hardly any have read the ´Normas de Circulación´ (more or less the equivalent to the UK Highway Code) which must be studied by those taking a driving test in Spain to ensure they have enough knowledge to drive safely. Thus one might reasonably assume that those who have never read it should not be driving,

Assuming that is so, then may be it would be wise for Spain to insist one needs to pass the theoretical test before the licence is changed, to prove they have sufficient knowledge to drive safely .

PS One example of how UK and Spain differ are the rules on how one negotiates roundabouts. If you do not know what I mean, that supports what I say !

See How to drive in a roundabout in Spain

PPS If one does not LIVE in UK they cannot renew their UK D/L. Read the info on the application form . I think the wording is, ´habitually resides in UK.´ Failing to conform to that is a criminal offence under I believe one of the Road Traffic Acts.
1. Im not sure I could pass todays driving test in the Uk and I do on average 50k miles a year in the Uk and another 10k in other countries. The theory test is passable by guess work having had a licence for the last 40 years. (I did one of those trial tests and passed, so did my son who cannot drive)

2. Doubt if more than 1% of Uk drivers has read the Highway code since passing the test. I drive on a regular basis in about 10 different countries and have never seen a copy of a code to driving from any of them. They exist of course but only learners ever use them.

3. Roundabouts. What you should do and what people do do. Are a million different things. We have a roundabout here in Shoreham that you get in the outside lane NO MATTER what exit you take. The lines are painted in a spiral. There are accidents here all the time. And because its marked as such, it takes presidence over the highway code (asked a copper a while ago). And people in Spain as in other countries, cut straight across if no-one else on the roundabout (except Canada where there are signs a couple of KM before warning you about a roundabout and giving instructions on how to navigate such) I will look for a picture of it from my last visit.

4. Agree here and having 2 driving licences is illegal, if you are old enough to have the paper counterpart I would just use this to ensure your entitelment remained the same (I still have mine as a back up to show the bike and other stuff i can drive)
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