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Old 15th June 2019, 12:23 PM
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I’ve lived in many places in the U.K. I think people can generally get a false sense of security and fear can very much depend on age etc

When I was young, I lived in the very affluent area of Hampstead. I would go to clubs in the west end, walk To kings cross pick up a taxi, get the tube etc. Never felt ill at ease and thought I was invincible

When I moved to Kent, I wouldn’t go to the corner shop on my own at night.

When I moved to an modern estate in Sussex wouldn’t walk at night.

Moved to the country isolated cottage , never locked door felt totally safe

Now I live in Spain... totally isolated.... think alien .... in space no one hears you scream. Feel safe

Technically, I was safer in built up areas, more people to call upon, quicker police response

Perception is the key. People feel unsafe but ask how many actually have been victims of violence etc

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I think the media also have a role to play in generating fear ... especially of immigrants.

We saw it happen in the UK, now sadly it is happening in Spain with the far-right propaganda machine blitzing social media with fake news.

But that's for another thread.
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The number of undocumented migrants in Spain, although growing recently, is relatively small compared to some European countries. More than half of them come from sub-Saharan Africa and risk their lives crossing the Mediterranean sea on rickety boats or rubber dinghies. Those that survive are given food, shelter and emergency health treatment when they arrive, but more than half of them are returned to North Africa. Others seek asylum or find work in agriculture, picking strawberries etc. The vast majority cross through Spain en route for Northern Europe where they believe they have more chance of finding work.

The last thing they'd do is commit a crime and risk being arrested and deported. If they are desperate, there are numerous charities they can turn to. Spain doesn't generally have the hostile attitude to these people that you find in some parts of the USA. Hence we call them "undocumented" (sin papeles) rather than "illegal".
True, although the sub-Saharan African immigrants aren't the only illegal immigrants that come in to Spain.
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True, although the sub-Saharan African immigrants aren't the only illegal immigrants that come in to Spain.

Yep, Costa del crime
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I think the media also have a role to play in generating fear ... especially of immigrants.

We saw it happen in the UK, now sadly it is happening in Spain with the far-right propaganda machine blitzing social media with fake news.

But that's for another thread.
What fake news?

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What fake news?
A number of examples in this report:-

https://www.eldiario.es/desalambre/i...842716844.html

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A number of examples in this report:-

https://www.eldiario.es/desalambre/i...842716844.html
As the article says, these items of fake news were widely spread through social media and much less widely found not to be true. I wish people would spread the tweets, articles etc by the hoax busters as much as they spread the stupid fake news stories. I'll be WAping this to my contacts, thanks Lynn.
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As the article says, these items of fake news were widely spread through social media and much less widely found not to be true. I wish people would spread the tweets, articles etc by the hoax busters as much as they spread the stupid fake news stories. I'll be WAping this to my contacts, thanks Lynn.
Thanks - it's very true that the debunking of these false claims never resonates as much as the original lies do. Even when publications are forced to print retractions (which of course never happens on social media), they are invariably hidden away in a couple of lines on some inside page, not given the same prominence as the original claims.

Some more recent examples around the national elections last month:-

https://maldita.es/maldito-bulo/bulo...ue-son-falsos/

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Thanks - it's very true that the debunking of these false claims never resonates as much as the original lies do. Even when publications are forced to print retractions (which of course never happens on social media), they are invariably hidden away in a couple of lines on some inside page, not given the same prominence as the original claims.

Some more recent examples around the national elections last month:-

https://maldita.es/maldito-bulo/bulo...ue-son-falsos/
Yes it has been claimed that fake news travels 6 times faster on Twitter than the truth.

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If we tolerate this stuff when it is aimed at other people, one day we may find ourselves to be the next targets. During the recent local election campaign, the Mayor of Alcaucín, who is Belgian, was the subject of a racist Whatsapp message telling him to go back to his own country (ironically the previous Spanish Mayor was jailed for corruption offences!).

https://elpais.com/politica/2019/06/...01_891342.html

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