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I think that it only for undocumented illegals who have no form of health cover. Also for Spanish who have no Social security payments. Don't think it is available to EU nationals. So unfortunately if you are t on a pension you still have to have insurance.
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I think that it only for undocumented illegals who have no form of health cover. Also for Spanish who have no Social security payments. Don't think it is available to EU nationals. So unfortunately if you are t on a pension you still have to have insurance.
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"The universal health will be valid in Spain from tomorrow. The measure guarantees the right to health protection and healthcare to "all persons with Spanish nationality and foreigners who have established their residence in Spanish territory." This has been determined by the Royal Decree of the Government that has been published on Monday in the Official State Gazette (BOE)".

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I think that it only for undocumented illegals who have no form of health cover. Also for Spanish who have no Social security payments. Don't think it is available to EU nationals. So unfortunately if you are t on a pension you still have to have insurance.
It clearly states that foreigners ''with legal & habitual residency in Spanish territory and not having the obligation to prove compulsory coverage of health care by another means.'' as being covered.

ALL foreigners have to provide proof of compulsory coverage when registering, not just EU citizens.

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It clearly states that foreigners ''with legal & habitual residency in Spanish territory and not having the obligation to prove compulsory coverage of health care by another means.'' as being covered.

ALL foreigners have to provide proof of compulsory coverage when registering, not just EU citizens.
So what will this mean in practice, do you think? People will obviously still need to provide proof of comprehensive health cover when registering as residents, but if that takes the form of private health insurance, will they now be able to cancel that after the initial year and register for state healthcare? Or does it apply only to those who were already registered as residents on the date the legislation was passed?
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So what will this mean in practice, do you think? People will obviously still need to provide proof of comprehensive health cover when registering as residents, but if that takes the form of private health insurance, will they now be able to cancel that after the initial year and register for state healthcare? Or does it apply only to those who were already registered as residents on the date the legislation was passed?
I think yes, that newcomers will still have to have health insurance to register. S1 holders will still have their healthcare paid by the issuing country.


I suspect that the INSS will do what they did in 2012, & pick a date around the time Sánchez announced the intention, or when it was first discussed in Parliament, & say that you have to have been registered by that date in order to qualify.

In all honesty, I don't see any other way of preventing healthcare tourism.
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Just a thought, but how long is Pedro Sanchez likely to remain as PM? He leads a minority party with only 85 seats out of 350. The PP, now with a new leader, Pablo Casado, has 137 seats and might seek to bring down Sanchez before the year is out. How long before the health care reforms are reversed if that happens?
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Just a thought, but how long is Pedro Sanchez likely to remain as PM? He leads a minority party with only 85 seats out of 350. The PP, now with a new leader, Pablo Casado, has 137 seats and might seek to bring down Sanchez before the year is out. How long before the health care reforms are reversed if that happens?
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I think yes, that newcomers will still have to have health insurance to register. S1 holders will still have their healthcare paid by the issuing country.


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I suspect that the INSS will do what they did in 2012, & pick a date around the time Sánchez announced the intention, or when it was first discussed in Parliament, & say that you have to have been registered by that date in order to qualify.
In all honesty, I don't see any other way of preventing healthcare tourism.
But then, what happens to undocumented migrants after the declared date, we are in the exact same situation?

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But then, what happens to undocumented migrants after the declared date, we are in the exact same situation?
Undocumented is undocumented, regardless of any date. I imagine that there will be some caveat that they are those who cannot apply for residency / register as EU citizens.

What I meant was I expect that documented, legal residents will only qualify if registered before a certain date.


It's only an educated guess of course, based on what has happened in the past.

I might be way off beam, & it will be a free-for-all.
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I have emailed our lawyer, who is very clued up on all things about residency etc. For her take on the situation. However like most Spanish companies it can take a while for her to get back but she is usually on the mark with advice. I will report back as and when

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