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I am a UK citizen living in the UK. Looking to buy a property in Spain (or France). My fiance is Ukrainian and still lives and works in Ukraine. Does anybody know when the new 160,000 euro residency ruling takes effect ? What are these new income rules that several threads mention ? Will my Ukrainian partner be able to obtain eu residency by moving to Spain ?

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I am a UK citizen living in the UK. Looking to buy a property in Spain (or France). My fiance is Ukrainian and still lives and works in Ukraine. Does anybody know when the new 160,000 euro residency ruling takes effect ? What are these new income rules that several threads mention ? Will my Ukrainian partner be able to obtain eu residency by moving to Spain ?
since the initial announcement regarding the 'buy a property & get residency' rule, afaik there has been no mention at all

it was only an announcement that 'within a few weeks' this would happen & is aimed at non-EU citizens who can't 'easily' get residency in the way that EU citizens can

the new income rules are that as an EU citizen, in order to register as resident, you have to prove to the govt that you have healthcare provision & can support yourself financially

although this is a requirement of the Spanish govt., you will hear that if, as an EU citizen, you don't register, they can't kick you out - this is true - but without that green resident cert there is so much you can't do - & tbh the financial requirements really aren't so very high (a bank balance of something like 5000 for a single person seems to be enough) - you don't have to buy property

for your fiancee, you would, I believe, need to prove that you have lived together for something like 2 years in order for her to get residency here as your dependant - of course once you are married it is more straightforward, but not a 'given'

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If you have 160,000 euros or more to blow buy in France. You will get a beautiful place over there for that, with land. No pressure after 3 months to become a resident when you dont want to. You dont have to give your identification number just to sign for a package or pay with a credit card. People in France tend not to just push you out of the way like the spanish do in supermarkets, you will hear excuse me, please, thank you...Sounds good to me

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Interesting advice, thank you. I have European PMI cover and could soon add Elena to it. I assume it is 10,000 euros for a couple.

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If you have 160,000 euros or more to blow buy in France. You will get a beautiful place over there for that, with land. No pressure after 3 months to become a resident when you dont want to. You dont have to give your identification number just to sign for a package or pay with a credit card. People in France tend not to just push you out of the way like the spanish do in supermarkets, you will hear excuse me, please, thank you...Sounds good to me
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EU-citizens moving to France with no income from employment (such as retired people and students) have the right to live in France, but need to show they have the financial resources to be self-supporting and not depend on the French state
EU Citizens: Definitions of Residence | AngloINFO France

And I would suggest you visit a few living in France web sites to get an idea of the bureaucracy in France - I have been visiting France for many years and was a place we first considered moving to. I have loads of paperwork with the can and can,t do,s from France. You may not have to apply for residency however you cannot sit under the radar in france.

as for excuse me,please and thank you in France I suppose that depends where you go and who you are talking to. Been to a UK supermarket recently.. there are ignorant and rude people all over the world... why oh why does would you reccomend a country based on experiences in a supermarket.

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Interesting advice, thank you. I have European PMI cover and could soon add Elena to it. I assume it is 10,000 euros for a couple.
HI there

this is not really set in stone. We are moving over at the end of next year and no where is it written down the exact amount and from what I have read depends where you are locating too.

i have found sites where it says 5k for the first and then 8K for the second.
Others say 5K pp. We will be in receipt of a pension and the rest of the income will come from capital - We will buy AFTER we have got residency if we can but I have come to the conclusion that the only person who knows what the income levels are will be the person dealing with you on the day!

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A few years ago Id of said it would be easier in Spain to get residency etc, as you know the French like all paperwork in order and check it again and again...But Spain in my eyes is not an easy place to stay either now...With work situation here etc and all these rules and regulations they have brought in lately
Look at the Ukranian Embassy website in France and see what she would need, some non EU countries need a visa even for a short stay, so seek definate advice before embarking on a house purchase. Combine that with your quality of life, if you can put up with cars up your backside everytime your on the road, miserable people all around, minus a few then Spain is for you, it is certainly not the happy go lucky place I remembered a number of years ago...but then again Im in ALhaurin el Grande maybe that says it all!

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UMM why would I recommend France, maybe because I lived there for alot of my life....Yes maybe thats why

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Cambio I dont appreciate you ripping me to bits, when Im trying to help someone who is asking a question...SO you went to France on holiday a few times, big deal! Ask before you assume I need to read articles and gain knowledge from the French forum..I was not implying anyone should sit under the radar, why would anyone move to a country if they didnt have means to support themselves, as he could afford a 160,000 euro house, one would assume he would have financial means also and not be so stupid as to go to France or SPain with no way to live...I think I have more knowledge than you having lived in France for over 10 years. Yes there are rude people all over the world, and alot of them live in SPain..Im sick of people pretending Spain is so wonderful, the locals are so friendly and helpful, maybe if they spoke spanish they wouldnt think that, everyone sounds friendly and helpful when you cant understand a word they are saying....

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UMM why would I recommend France, maybe because I lived there for alot of my life....Yes maybe thats why

my point was not that you recommended france but your original post cited the supermarkets etc.

I agree France is a stunning place - we as I said considered moving there, however it did not feel right

Your most recent post is clearer and I have to agree to an extent - but i dont think france is having a great time hence london holds the 3rd largest french population outside france or figures similar to that.

I think on this matter we will have to agree to disagree

post your other post

i was not ripping you apart i was voicing an opinion that you did not like, i have made a reasoned response which is above. and i have never said/read that everything in spain is wonderful.


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