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I have a social security number as autonomo but from 10 years ago
is this still valid?

If yes ,as I understood I only need to go to I n e m to apply for solicitud
de reconocimiento del derecho a la asistencia Sanitaria?

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As this was 10 years ago, whilst you hold onto the number, hasn't your right to free health care lapsed after you stoped making the autonomo payments?

Obviously, once you start paying again then the health cover starts.

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yes I got this one also.....
then as long as you were registered (with the new green resident registration cert) & fiscally resident before April 24th you should be OK

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Obviously, once you start paying again then the health cover starts.
yes, but IF as in the case of the OP he was properly registered & fiscally resident before April 24th this year, that shouldn't make a difference now

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then as long as you were registered (with the new green resident registration cert) & fiscally resident before April 24th you should be OK

let us know how you get on

Actually I have been this morning at the INEM office they said
I need to apply at the CENTRO SANITARIO....
let you know further details.....

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Husband and I, both retired early, tax residents etc. We both have a SS number, and we have the orange cards. They are chip and pin cards. On the back it says Junta de Andalucia, Consejería de salud and Tarjeta Sanitaria.
Our neighbour who works as a secretary at the local ´hospital´ (a kind of out patients hospital) checked about 5 years ago and said we had no NHS health cover, so since then we have paid into the private system.

Any ideas as to what we can do to find out if we are covered?

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yes, but IF as in the case of the OP he was properly registered & fiscally resident before April 24th this year, that shouldn't make a difference now

I'm confused (not hard these days), on what basis would they be granted free health care?

Are they pensioners?
Are they paying into the system?
Did they use their (up to) 2 years reciprocal cover last time or are they entitled to it again?

We're properly registered, fiscally resident before April 24th but can't get free health care for any of us (including children). My children even have SS numbers (don't know how or why but they have).

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I'm confused (not hard these days), on what basis would they be granted free health care?

Are they pensioners?
Are they paying into the system?
Did they use their (up to) 2 years reciprocal cover last time or are they entitled to it again?

We're properly registered, fiscally resident before April 24th but can't get free health care for any of us (including children). My children even have SS numbers (don't know how or why but they have).
they are covered under the new rules which came in 1st September - the ones which say all legal residents are entitled to free health care

they aren't pensioners, they don't pay into the system - maybe they did have 2 years worth of cover at first - but that's not relevant

you should now be able to get it, just like they did

I'm a bit tbh - I could get it too - both the legally registered way & because I actually have S1s for all 3 of us................ but as I can't afford to give up work completely & couldn't sleep nights if I worked 'on the black' even just a little bit I'll just have to carry on paying the 270€+ a month autónomo...........

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I am so confused- easily done I know.

I thought the new rules said folk had to be able to ´support themselves´ with an income and medical cover? We renewed our residencia´s 2 years ago, we have the large sheet of paper one.


Where can we find the new rules from 1st September?

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OH has been looking on the net, he thinks he has found the info so Wednesday morning we will head off to the SS office, so fingers crossed - we could spend the money we save on a new car

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I'm confused (not hard these days), on what basis would they be granted free health care?

Are they pensioners?
Are they paying into the system?
Did they use their (up to) 2 years reciprocal cover last time or are they entitled to it again?

We're properly registered, fiscally resident before April 24th but can't get free health care for any of us (including children). My children even have SS numbers (don't know how or why but they have).
The new Health care rules were introduced last year & enacted into law in january this year. They basically mean that nearly anyone who is spanish or legally resident foreigner ( before 24th april this year ) is entitled to h/care subject to circumstances. If you are a resident ,before april, & have an income below the minimum then you are entitled to healthcare. You do not have to be of pensionable age. If you have an income , from private pension , savings , etc; above the minimum then you will struggle to get it , even though the rules say you are entitled the same as a spaniard.

The new residency rules , brought in on april 24th were designed to stop the immigrants , illegals, & anyone from the EU that wasn't legally registered from all being entitled to free healthcare.
They are two completely separate things & are being confused by many .

Your children, under the age of 18, are entitled to full healthcare under both Spanish & EU laws.

Here , Artí**** I last line . page 31286.
" En todo caso, los extranjeros menores de dieciocho años recibirán asistencia sanitaria en las mismas condiciones que los españoles.»"

http://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2012/04/2...-2012-5403.pdf
Print it , highlight & go & argue again.

As residents before this year you qualify under the old rules , as updated, & shown here in Artí**** 12 . ( take no notice that it is year 2000 , it is the same on the 2009 one )

" Article 12. The Right to Health Care.
1. Foreign nationals in Spain who are registered in the census of the municipality in
which they normally reside shall have the right to health care in the same
conditions as Spaniards.
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2. Foreign nationals in Spain have the right to emergency public health care in the
case of serious illness or accident, whatever the cause, and to the continuance of
such care, until a medical release has been given.
3. Foreign nationals in Spain who are younger than eighteen years of age shall
have the right to health care in the same conditions as Spaniards.
4. Foreign nationals in Spain who are pregnant shall have the right to pre-natal,
delivery and post-natal health care."

from here

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/402237554.pdf

If they still deny you , then make an official complaint using the ' hojas de
reclamación ' & also to the EU throughtheir SOLVIT system.

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