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Old 9th July 2012, 10:23 PM
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The principle is clear and simple: people should be employed to do certain jobs in and for the community. The question as to what jobs is another matter.
Money to pay people comes from citizens in the community. Perhaps they should be consulted as to what they would be prepared to do themselves and what they would prefer to pay for.
But when there is no money for whatever reason, you pick up your broom, work in your library....or nothing is done for the community.
For me this is the principle that is clear - if I've paid to have the job done I don't want to then have to do it myself, plus have a member of my community at my side watching me do it, while they are unemployed!
Asking people what they want to spend their money on is a much better idea, and one that is happening in some communities, thanks to 15M...

But better than seeing the rot set in is to get to it and do it yourself I suppose
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Old 10th July 2012, 06:39 AM
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For me this is the principle that is clear - if I've paid to have the job done I don't want to then have to do it myself, plus have a member of my community at my side watching me do it, while they are unemployed!
Asking people what they want to spend their money on is a much better idea, and one that is happening in some communities, thanks to 15M...

But better than seeing the rot set in is to get to it and do it yourself I suppose
The fact is that for whatever reason most communities have little money and have to make tough decisions about how to spend it. It's happening in the UK too.
We can debate endlessly whether people should be employed to do certain jobs but if there isn't the money the choice is stark and simple: volunteer or no service.
As for asking people what their local taxes should be spent on: it may be a new idea in some parts of Spain but in our area the Parties sent out excruciatingly detailed plans for service delivery which I doubt anyone read. They didn't need 15M to tell them to do that.
When I was involved in local politics in the UK we used to do regular door-knocking surveys to find out people's views as to how their Council Tax money should be spent - and not just at election time. When I suggested a spot of vox populi to my local PSOE branch during the last local election campaign they weren't impressed, maybe because the previous PSOE administration had squandered millions of euros of public money on unsustainable projects and sheer mismanagement...
The other thing about consulting the public is that the general public tends to hold fairly conservative and in many cases downright reactionary views about subsidising services they don't use or approve of.
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