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Hi Xabiachica,
I've looked through the link you gave to the BOE on this thread,
http://www.expatforum.com/expats/spa...il-2012-a.html
but although full of information, I can't find any reference to Changes to Residency requirements for UK citizens in Spain. It's all about the new Health System...

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Hi Xabiachica,
I've looked through the link you gave to the BOE on this thread,
http://www.expatforum.com/expats/spa...il-2012-a.html
but although full of information, I can't find any reference to Changes to Residency requirements for UK citizens in Spain. It's all about the new Health System...
I think it's there somewhere - unless the link I got from the consulate website is the wrong one


I shall have another look after I've had my lunch

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Here is the relevant bit of the EU Freedom of Movement directive, regarding immigrants from other EU countries:

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Right of residence for more than three months

The right of residence for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions. Applicants must:
  • either be engaged in economic activity (on an employed or self-employed basis);
  • or have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. The Member States may not specify a minimum amount which they deem sufficient, but they must take account of personal circumstances;
  • or be following vocational training as a student and have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay;
  • or be a family member of a Union citizen who falls into one of the above categories.

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Here is the relevant bit of the EU Freedom of Movement directive, regarding immigrants from other EU countries:
yep - page 32 of the link

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yep - page 32 of the link
But this isn't new, the directive dates from 2004. Perhaps Spain has only just got round to enforcing it?

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But this isn't new, the directive dates from 2004. Perhaps Spain has only just got round to enforcing it?
Something's new about it because it wasn't like that before,was it?
Here it is from the horses mouth AKA el Ministerio del Interior

Estancia y residencia - Ministerio del Interior
RESIDENCIA SUPERIOR A TRES MESES Los ciudadanos de un Estado miembro de la Unión Europea o de otro Estado parte en el Acuerdo sobre el Espacio Económico Europeo tienen derecho de residencia en territorio español por un período superior a tres meses si se encuentran en alguno de los siguientes supuestos:
  1. Son trabajadores por cuenta ajena o por cuenta propia en España, o
  2. Disponen, para sí y los miembros de su familia, de recursos suficientes para no convertirse en una carga para la asistencia social en España durante su período de residencia, así como de un seguro de enfermedad que cubra todos los riesgos en España, o
  3. Están matriculados en un centro público o privado, reconocido o financiado por la administración educativa competente, con la finalidad principal de cursar estudios; y cuentan con un seguro de enfermedad que cubre todos los riesgos en España y garantizan que poseen recursos suficientes para sí y los miembros de su familia para no convertirse en una carga para la asistencia social del Estado español durante su período de residencia, o
  4. Son miembros de la familia que acompañan o van a reunirse con un ciudadano de un Estado miembro de la Unión Europea o de otro Estado parte en el Acuerdo sobre el Espacio Económico Europeo que cumple las condiciones contempladas en alguno de los supuestos anteriores.
Thanks for indicating where it was in the 34 page document!!

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Most member states imposed restrictions on work-seeking immigrants; presumably therefore the Directive contained clauses allowing for each member state to add/take from them?

Most Directives contain elasticity of this kind.

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Most member states imposed restrictions on work-seeking immigrants; presumably therefore the Directive contained clauses allowing for each member state to add/take from them?

Most Directives contain elasticity of this kind.
Must be. Poland is limiting immigration from xx to xx because of the football match that is going to be played - or has it already been played?? - you know what I mean anyway.

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But this isn't new, the directive dates from 2004. Perhaps Spain has only just got round to enforcing it?
Yes they have.
Previously they chose not to enforce this directive for EU citizens.
Now they are.

Although things are still very much up in the air on this, as EU Citizens have the right to reside in any country in the union and can only be expelled under extreme circumstances.
But of course, if you need to sign on for state healthcare, then you need to show that you are signed on the foreigners register...
So (personally) I think that the difference between actually being allowed to reside in Spain and to be allowed to register as living here is the point we need to address.

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Yes they have.
Previously they chose not to enforce this directive for EU citizens.
Now they are.

Although things are still very much up in the air on this, as EU Citizens have the right to reside in any country in the union and can only be expelled under extreme circumstances.
But of course, if you need to sign on for state healthcare, then you need to show that you are signed on the foreigners register...
So (personally) I think that the difference between actually being allowed to reside in Spain and to be allowed to register as living here is the point we need to address.
Well, we are always told and imo rightly so that if you 'reside' in Spain you should register on the padron as your local authority will qualify for funding depending on the number of people registered as resident in any specific locality.

After all, even if you don't need to look to the Spanish state for support in any way, you will presumably make use, albeit in a minor way, of resources and facilities supplied by the local authority...water, sewerage, rubbish disposal and police spring to mind.
And if you reside in Spain for more than 183 days you have tax liabilities.

When I think of the requirements for residency that were in force in Canada when I had property and was considering retiring there.......

As long as nation states exist, regardless of any current arrangements such as the SEA, surely they should have some control over who may reside within their frontiers?

Free movement of money is one of the causes of the current crisis in Spain. Who is to say that the whole of the SEA won't be scrapped? We are now in a situation where what was previously unthinkable is being openly discussed - Greece's exit from the euro, the breakdown of the eurozone as it currently exists, a referendum in the UK....

Maybe the outcome of all this will be a new type of EU, one that exists to serve the peoples of Europe and not the global financial markets. The SEA is a free-marketeer's charter.
I campaigned against this Act when I stood for the European Parliament. Even Mrs. Thatcher is alleged to have said she didn't fully understand the implications of what she had signed.
THe Guardian today apparently calls for a 'United States of Europe' as the only solution to the current crisis.
Well, I know it says in the Scriptures that the 'lion shall lie down with the lamb'....
That outcome seems more likely than a harmonious joining of the current eurozone member states, never mind the UK, Czech Republic and others.
Jesus wept....

That's in the Scriptures too

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